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<DIV>Hummm. Actually I don’t read that anyone here doesn’t believe in the
“rule of law,” and we know you aren’t stupid, just sometimes obstinate—my auto
correct shows this word as abstinent but I’m not about to charge you with
that. </DIV>
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<DIV>Cheeers,</DIV>
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<DIV>sueh </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title=thansen@moscow.com
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Idaho senator wants Rep. Mark Patterson to
resign</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Apparently I'm one of the very few here on the viz who is actually
stupid enough to believe in the 'rule of law'. He was charged with
rape. He plead guilty to assault. He was sentenced. He
apparently carried out his sentence and stayed out of trouble while he served
his two years of probation (there's no info in the article why probation was
chopped down from 5 years). Case closed.<BR><BR>Now moving on to the
concealed weapon permit, he failed to disclose his record which he was
apparently required to do and thus his permit was yanked. Did he actually
break any laws by withholding information pertaining to his 'withheld
judgement'? If not, then case should closed on this issue as well since
it's been dealt with accordingly.<BR><BR>So legally everything seems to be in
order here and the brouhaha is strictly in the political arena.
Democrats have political ammunition against this guy and Republicans are
throwing him under the bus as is their nature.<BR><BR>Be careful what you wish
for. If he resigns, this only benefits the Republicans.<BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com;
thansen@moscow.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Idaho senator wants Rep. Mark Patterson to resign<BR>Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013
17:11:08 -0800<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I’m with Janesta on this one. He claims he didn’t rape her, but he also
wants folks to cut him some slack because, “I was a young kid.” He was a
man 21 years old, who the justice system treated just as they dealt with most
sexual assaults at that time. Plead guilty for intent to commit and leave
town...Problem solved. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sueh</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:04 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Idaho senator wants Rep. Mark Patterson to
resign</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><Tom asks 'To what crime is rape considered to be a "lesser
charge"?'><BR>It would be a lesser charge to pre-meditated murder, but that's
going in the opposite direction from the case at hand here.<BR><BR><Why would
a person plead guilty to a felony, unless he was guilty of that
felony?><BR>Because pleading guilty to lesser charge of 'assault with intent
to commit rape' and being offered a withheld judgement would result in a much
less severe punishment than rolling the dice on a jury trial and coming up with
snake eyes. Same thing applies with the prosecution's case which is why
they offered him up a sweetheart deal. And maybe the victim didn't want to
relive the traumatic event on the witness stand. I'm pretty certain that
rape shield was not in effect 40 years ago so the defense probably would have
had free reign to humiliate her on cross examination and would have probably
presented things to the jury that it was 'consensual role playing' and 'look
here at exhibit A - this was the skimpy outfit she was wearing'. >From the
brief write up in the article, it seems to me he raped the woman, yet he didn't
plead guilty to it.<BR><BR>I hope this clears things up...<BR><BR><BR>
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CC: janesta@gmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>From:
thansen@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho senator wants Rep. Mark
Patterson to resign<BR>Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:56:29 -0800<BR>To:
scooterd408@hotmail.com<BR><BR>
<DIV>So, enlighten us, Mr. Dredge, please . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To what crime is rape considered to be a "lesser charge"? Why would a
person plead guilty to a felony, unless he was guilty of that felony?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"In May 1974, a then-21-year-old Patterson was charged with rape in
Tampa. A 46-year-old woman told police Patterson forced her to have sex
twice and threatened to have his Doberman pinscher attack her if she refused,
according to police reports."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hmmm.</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.MoscowCares.com"
target=_blank>http://www.MoscowCares.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">There's room at the top they are telling
you still</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN></DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">If you want
to be like the folks on the hill."</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN>- John Lennon<BR></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Scott Dredge <<A
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Maybe Sunil can weigh in on this one. <SPAN>My
understanding is that pleading guilty to a lesser charge and along with a
withheld judgement means that you can check 'no' on a job application question
that asks if you've ever been convicted of a felony. Obviously thats a
no-no for a concealed weapons permit. I think the guy should just stay
put and let others force him out if they have the power to do so. I
liked the way Larry Craig handled his situation by announcing that his 'plan
to step down'</SPAN> but then finishing his term.<BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:41:56 -0700<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">janesta@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Idaho senator wants Rep. Mark Patterson to resign<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Wow!<BR><BR>The judge told him to leave town! Oh yes, go someplace else
and cause trouble. <BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>Way "back in the day" ... being the late 60's and early
70's. Judge Felton would frequently tell men who committed a crime in Latah
County, to leave town, join the service, or, go to the pen,.. one incident I
recall in particular, was a group of recent high school graduates who imported
a bunch of Thai Stick, a potent form of marijuana.. anyway, he gave them a
choice of joining the service, or going to Boise State Pen for something like
5 years. One took the service, and left with an honorable discharge. The
other, went to the pen, and came back to Moscow and was a successful
businessman until he passed away. <BR><BR></DIV>Anyway, Patterson lied on his
concealed gun permit. By lying, he was trying to hide it. By trying to hide
it, to me, is the appearance of guilt. Appearance nothing, he PLEAD
guilty! A rape for the woman NEVER goes away. I can tell you first
person. It does NOT. <BR><BR></DIV>He needs to buck up, quit making excuses,
be a man, and resign.<BR></DIV>Janesta<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Tom Hansen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Question, Mr. Falen . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What time constraint do you assign to the conviction of a felony, like
rape, at which time we should forgive our elected officials, forget that the
crime ever hapoened, and allow the convicted felon to carry a concealed
weapon?
<DIV class=ecxim><BR><BR>
<DIV>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.MoscowCares.com"
target=_blank>http://www.MoscowCares.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">There's room at the top they are
telling you still</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN></DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">If you
want to be like the folks on the hill."</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN>- John Lennon<BR></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Dec 11, 2013, at 10:43 AM, lfalen <<A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target=_blank>lfalen@turbonet.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I am all for being tough on rapists, but this was 40 years
ago when he was young. Cut the guy some slack.<BR>Roger<BR><BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Tom Hansen" <<A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>To: "Moscow Vision 2020"
<<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date: 12/11/13
10:04<BR>Subject: [Vision2020] Idaho senator wants Rep. Mark Patterson
to resign<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Courtesy of today's (December 11, 2013) Spokesman Review.</DIV>
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<H1
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senator wants Rep. Mark Patterson to resign</H1>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>BOISE - A state senator
Tuesday called for Republican leaders from Boise to seek the resignation
of Rep. Mark Patterson after his failure to disclose his guilty plea in
a 1974 rape case led to revocation of his concealed weapons
permit.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Sen. Fred Martin, R-Boise
and one of District 15's precinct committee members, said he expects
officials from the southwest Boise district will assemble next Tuesday
to discuss Patterson's future in the Legislature, less than a month
before the 2014 session begins.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>However, another official
in District 15, which Patterson represents, said the situation is
"fluid" and no meeting has been finalized.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Patterson has been the
focus of attention since the Idaho Statesman in November reported he
failed to disclose the 39-year-old guilty plea in a Florida rape case
when he applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon, first in 2007
and again in 2012. Ada County Sheriff Gary Raney revoked Patterson's
permit in late October. Raney has said Patterson's record makes him
ineligible for a concealed weapons permit in Idaho.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>In an interview Tuesday,
Martin said he remains hopeful Patterson will resign voluntarily. If he
doesn't, however, Martin said a resolution has been drafted that demands
the first-term Republican lawmaker quit.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>"This behavior is not
acceptable," Martin said. "I feel confident that Legislative District
15's precinct committee people will do what is right for Idaho, the
Republican Party and especially voters of District 15. I also hope that
Rep. Patterson does what's right for himself and his family."</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>In addition to not
disclosing the plea on his concealed weapons permit application, Martin
said Patterson's reaction to the situation has been
aggressive.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Consequently, Martin said,
he was asked to organize security for Tuesday's tentative meeting
because some District 15 officials had safety concerns.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Patterson couldn't be
reached Tuesday. Wade Woodard, Patterson's lawyer, didn't immediately
respond to a request for comment.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Dan Luker, District 15's
secretary, said its executive committee has met and agreed that the
entire 15-person precinct committee should gather to discuss Patterson's
future.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Still, Luker said no such
meeting has been finalized.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>"We'd have to have an
agenda and a location, and I can say, as of this moment, not all of
those pieces are in place to allow such a notice to go out," Luker said
Tuesday afternoon. "That may change in the future, but as of this
moment, that's the case. I don't know if we'll have a quorum, or whether
the meeting will happen or not."</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>In May 1974, a
then-21-year-old Patterson was charged with rape in Tampa. A 46-year-old
woman told police Patterson forced her to have sex twice and threatened
to have his Doberman pinscher attack her if she refused, according to
police reports.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Patterson served time in
jail before agreeing that July to plead guilty to the lesser charge of
assault with intent to commit rape, receiving a withheld judgment and
five years probation.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Patterson was ordered to
leave Florida. Two years later, he was released from probation, records
show.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Now, however, he says he
was innocent but pleaded guilty 39 years ago on the advice of his
attorney, expecting the crime would eventually be expunged from his
record.</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>"I was a young kid,"
Patterson has told the Statesman. "I was charged with a crime I didn't
do. My attorney told me to take the deal."</SPAN></P>
<P style="OVERFLOW: visible !important"><SPAN>Though Patterson lost his
concealed weapons permit, he can continue to carry a concealed weapon
because of 1990 law that exempts elected officials from having to obtain
a permit. Idaho is the only state that exempts elected officials from
the permit law.</SPAN></P> </DIV>
<DIV>---------------------------------<BR><BR>
<DIV>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.MoscowCares.com"
target=_blank>http://www.MoscowCares.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">There's room at the top they are
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kill </SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN
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hill."</SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN>- John Lennon<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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