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<DIV>Remember a few years ago when there was an aborted move to limit the number
of classes any high school student could take. The idea was to limit class
size by denying students the opportunity to have a full schedule. Well
rushing kids through high school does much the same thing. The president
of Bard College was quoted recently saying 4 years of high school was a waste
for talented kids, but I think even talented kids need to develop their talents
in age-appropriate environments. That doesn’t mean college at 15 or 16 is
wrong for everyone, but students need to have a certain level of maturity before
they leave home to find their way as adolescents. We complain that kids
today grow up way too fast, then push them to do exactly that. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ringoshirl@moscow.com
href="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">Shirley Ringo</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:32 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=kmmos1@frontier.com
href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">'Kenneth Marcy'</A> ; <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">'Sue Hovey'</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">'Tom Hansen'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Moscow Vision
2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] State Board members rip Luna's K-12
budget</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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could talk about these issues for a long time. I really regret moves in
the Idaho Legislature (coming from people with little or no education
experience) putting out carrots to encourage students to rush through high
school faster. In my experience, it was hard to get time to develop
concepts thoroughly. I have believed that is why students don’t retain and
we see so much need for remediation at the college level. The direction
legislators take will probably make things worse.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Kenneth Marcy [mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 21,
2013 4:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Shirley Ringo; 'Sue Hovey'; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Moscow
Vision 2020'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] State Board members rip Luna’s
K-12 budget<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 10/21/2013 11:48 AM, Shirley Ringo
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Well,
it reminds me of my former students who couldn’t come in to get help on their
math – with the explanation that they needed to work after school to get money
for college.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>That's another short-sighted, penny-wise and
pound-foolish situation that a well-funded and administered state educational
system would discourage for educational reasons alone, if no other. The
students who don't get the math help they need show up at college wanting to
major in STEM subjects (science math engineering and math) and find they cannot
do well because they are expected to make up their high school level work
simultaneously with taking college level work in the same or related subjects
for which the high school work is prerequisite.<BR><BR>College faculty get
frustrated because some of them have to teach kids at the kids' levels, which is
high school stuff the kids should have mastered before arriving at
college.<BR><BR>The kids get frustrated, discouraged, and after doing poorly,
have a worse academic record than that of which they might be capable, and they
have spent the significant resources associated with a year of
college.<BR><BR>Those kids probably would have been better off, and they and
their parents would be a year's (or two years') worth of college costs richer,
if the kids had stayed home another year (or two), stayed in high school for
another year (or two), and took all of the math, science, and foreign language
classes (for B.A. students) they could schedule as more college preparation at
high school prices and room and board.<BR><BR>Of course, it's not all bad
news. There continues to be a substantial list of new and continuing
students on Deans' lists in all of the Colleges, so the message is not all gloom
and doom. But it is still the case that a lot of under-prepared students
arrive on campus, and the fact that they graduated from state high schools in
that condition is not a mark of favorable distinction for those secondary
schools.<BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>
[<A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sue Hovey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:42
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] State Board members rip Luna’s K-12
budget</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">To my
thinking the most interesting statement made by Bill Goesling was his comment
(not in this article)that higher education drives the economy and K-12 education
doesn’t. Anyone see any irony in that rationale?
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sue
H.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Not particularly ironic, no. It has long been the
case that business-oriented people in positions of legislative and
governmental-executive leadership have had difficulties in distinguishing
investments that will do well primarily for people and secondarily for state
coffers, and those investments that might do well for private enterprises.
Usually those investment types are quite distinguishable and distinct.
Failure to invest more in the former, while loosening or removing rules that
govern the latter, is an ongoing feature, and an ongoing problem, of
governmental organizations.<BR><BR>The proof that is in the pudding, so to
speak, is seen in the economic performance data that indicate that the national
economy does marginally better under Democratic leadership, and marginally
poorer under Republican leadership. So much for the Rs being the party
that can recognize better investments in the public interest.<BR><BR>Chronic,
persistent, unimaginative education policy coupled with regressive, retrograde,
rationed, regional resources has produced an educational millieu from which its
inmates wish to escape if they are able. Some succeed, others can
not. Idaho voters' inability, or blatant stubborn refusal, to elect to
their state legislature people who can and will enact policies and fund programs
to actually serve the public interest rather than the interests of private
investors redounds directly back on those voters in the form of substandard
educational outcomes and diminished aggregate state economic
performance.<BR><BR>If Idaho voters appear more retarded in their electoral
performances than voters of other states, one might reasonably ask what is the
cause of that retardation, and what is the source of the
cause?<BR><BR><BR>Ken<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>