<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt">What are your thoughts on the idea, posited by the Congressional Research Service report that (paraphrased) if a person is a US citizen "at birth" or "by birth" that they should be considered to be "natural born"?<br><br>That's why his US citizenship at the time of his birth is important to this discussion.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:59 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div
class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9266003807"><div><div>The question concerns eligibility to run for President of the United States, not U.S. citizenship.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Yes. Sen. Cruz is a U.S. citizen and has been since his birth . . . in Canada.</div><div><br clear="none"><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"
clear="none"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br clear="none"></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv9266003807yqt3873779221" id="yiv9266003807yqt74768"><div><br clear="none">On Oct 17, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Ron Force <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">rforce2003@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><span>Take it from the U.S. State Department, quoting U.S. Statute:</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-size:13px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html">http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html</a><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><h3 style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:rgb(64, 64, 64);">Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in
Wedlock</h3><div style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:20px;color:rgb(64, 64, 64);">A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA(Immigration and nationality Act) provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by
the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.</div><div></div><div> </div><div>Ron Force<br clear="none">Moscow Idaho USA</div><div class="yiv9266003807yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr">
<font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday,
October 17, 2013 2:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div class="yiv9266003807y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9266003807"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>He was born abroad and his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time. It's my understanding that this makes him a U.S. citizen "at birth" or "by birth". Again, I'm not a legal authority on this issue. It also apparently makes him a Canadian citizen as well, which doesn't factor in unless he's trying to run for Prime Minister.</span></div><div
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"><span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>Again, not a legal scholar, and I've
pretty much reached the end of my knowledge on this subject, such that it is.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"><span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>Paul<br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv9266003807yqt6372498742" id="yiv9266003807yqt67107"><div class="yiv9266003807yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font
face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:30 PM, Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv9266003807y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9266003807"><div><div>I reiterate, Mr. Rumelhart . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Sen. Cruz is not an "American born overseas". He is/was a Canadian born in Alberta.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Se. John McCain is an "American born overseas", as he was born in a U.S. Navy hospital in Panama. "American born overseas" qualifies those born in American hospitals overseas as a consideration to the "natural born" requirement of the U.S. Constitution.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Otherwise, children of U.S. service members (soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines), born overseas woukd not be considered American
citizens.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ok?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;" clear="none"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br
clear="none"></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv9266003807yqt4283501399" id="yiv9266003807yqt47090"><div><br clear="none">On Oct 17, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">Then perhaps you should be having this debate with those "legal scholars" mentioned in the article.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Paul<br clear="none"><div><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv9266003807yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:03 PM, Tom Hansen
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv9266003807y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9266003807"><div><div>I simply stated that Sen. Cruz is not eligible to run for President of the United States . . . and supported my statement with the U.S.
Constitution.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;" clear="none"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br
clear="none"></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv9266003807yqt6972330660" id="yiv9266003807yqt11726"><div><br clear="none">On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">Are you serious? I suspect you are throwing Obama birther arguments at me as if I was one, which I'm not. You seem to have a very "us/everyone else" view of the
cosmos. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Just in case you are serious, I've already explained that I am not a legal scholar, but agree that if the general agreement between legal scholars is
that he is eligible, then that seems like the likely answer.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">In answer to your last question, the only thing stopping them is the common sense and good taste of the actual women involved.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Paul<br clear="none"><div><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv9266003807yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:43 PM, Wayne Price <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div
class="yiv9266003807y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9266003807"><div>As a citizen, born of a US parent outside the US, I'd have to say yes he qualifies, and apparently so does Sarah Duggin at Catholic University.<div><span class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"> It would be reasonable to interpret the Constitution’s natural born citizenship provision to include children born abroad to U.S. citizens, including Senator Cruz, for a number of reasons," she said.</span></div><div><font class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" style="line-height:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" style="line-height:16px;"><br
clear="none"></span></font></div><div class="yiv9266003807yqt7579882003" id="yiv9266003807yqt27169"><div><font class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv9266003807Apple-style-span" style="line-height:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></font><div><br clear="none"><div><div>On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:</div><br class="yiv9266003807Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv9266003807yqt7579882003" id="yiv9266003807yqt82297"><div><div><div>Again, I ask . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><b>Is Sen. Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to run for President of the United States?</b></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;" clear="none"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br clear="none"></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none">On Oct 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Wayne Price <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Oh great, suddenly YOU are a birther? *S*<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Why don't you just do what you wanted everyone else to do, suck it up!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div>On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:</div><br class="yiv9266003807Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><div
style=""><span></span></div><div></div></div></div><div><div style=""><span></span></div><div></div></div><div><div style="">Is Sen. Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to run for President of the United States?</div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div style="">-------------------------------------</div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div style="">Section 1, Article II of the United States Constitution.</div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div><span style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii">http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii</a></span></div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div style=""><span style="">"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of
the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."</span></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="">-------------------------------------</div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div style=""><span style="">Sen. Ted Cruz's birth certificate shows he was born in Canada in 1970. It was released exclusively to The Dallas Morning News.</span></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-canada-born-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece?nclick_check=1">http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-canada-born-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece?nclick_check=1</a></span></div><div style=""><span><CRUZ_0819NAT_32638724.JPG></span></div><div style="">-------------------------------------</div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div style="">Thoughts?</div><div style=""><br clear="none"><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at
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