<div dir="ltr"><div>People are still hiking The Grand Canyon. Not many, they sneak in, and go anyway.. aerial tours are seeing 100+ more customers a day... This is attributed to people who already were here, or, it was too late to cancel plans to the Arizona National Park. The number of customers will return to normal in a few weeks.<br>
<br></div>Janesta <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif">There is a fundamental difference in thought going on in this whole debate. The Feds are taking a statist point of view. We're the government, it's our land, we can take away access and if we want to make a point of it we will. The other view is that the land is owned by the people, and the government is there to act as a steward for the land. In that scenario, a government shutdown means that the land is open for use, you just shouldn't expect any services to be provided.<br>
<br>This basic difference in views seems to permeate many of the debates going on these days. It's basically the government vs. the individual. Take the Affordable Care Act. The government wants this program to work, and in order to make it work you need everyone to buy into
it. That's why they are forcing it on us. Individualists, on the other hand, think that their own health is their own responsibility, not the governments. Thus, they reject the view that a citizen can be forced to buy something they don't want to have, despite the "Oh, we can tax 'em if they don't get sign up and still be legal!" loophole they are using.<br>
<br>In my personal view, the Executive Branch has been on a power grab for decades. This is the biggest threat to the People I can think of. That's not to say that I think the government is evil, it's doing this based on good intentions for the most part. But we know which road is paved with those.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Paul</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><div><span><br></span></div><div style="display:block"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:07 AM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br>
</font> </div> <div>"A state highway that runs through the national park was closed after Grand<br clear="none">Canyon officials found tourists removing barricades at overlooks along the<br clear="none">road."<br clear="none">
<a shape="rect" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/nearly-two-dozen-cited-for-en" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/nearly-two-dozen-cited-for-en</a><br clear="none">tering-grand-canyon-after-budget-battle-forced-parks-closure/2013/10/09/94a7<br clear="none">
2f2e-30dd-11e3-ad00-ec4c6b31cbed_story.html<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yes -- I'm glad you agree that those "tourists" are responsible for the<br clear="none">necessary decision to
close the highway since they thought they were special<br clear="none">enough that they could just move the barricades. You & I both know that if<br clear="none">something went wrong with their illegal behavior, they'd be the first to<br clear="none">
sue, something they made clear to us with their reckless behavior.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yeah, it sucks when a few spoil things for the many, so I'm glad to see your<br clear="none">ire directed where it belongs : at the "tourists."<br clear="none">
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<br clear="none">Then shut down the highway.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.outsideonline.com/news-from-the-field/Citations-Issued-at-Grand-C" target="_blank">http://www.outsideonline.com/news-from-the-field/Citations-Issued-at-Grand-C</a><br clear="none">
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