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<DIV>Good thoughts, Scott. This business of delaying the Affordable Care
Act for a year is bogus. That would simply give the Rs another whole year
to shoot it down. It twas passed by Congress, survived a Supreme Court
test, now lets get on with it. To delay it at all would simply provide its
enemies new ways to subvert it. What we must do is extend Medicaid
to cover those who need it, put the exchanges in place and ultimately work
toward a single payer system. For the life of me I do not understand how
folks such as myself can rail against the Affordable Care Act and call it
socialized medicine, then use their Medicare the next day. And don’t give
me the crap about having paid for it. If you live to use it for a few
years you will find the cost you paid for it is completely outstripped by the
medical bills you incur. I’m not sure to whom I am speaking, so the you is
directed mostly to the elderly who don’t want the younger generation to have the
medical benefits which their own Medicare provides. OK, I’m off my soapbox
for the rest of the day. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue h</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ngier006@gmail.com
href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">Nicholas Gier</A> ; <A
title=lfalen@turbonet.com href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Concerning the Government Shutdown . .
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<DIV dir=ltr>FIrst off, I agree with everyone Nick has written.<BR><BR>As for
Roger's comment:<BR><What needs to be done but won't be is either that that
Obamacare is delayed for a year for everyone or that everyone is subject to the
law now. Big business, labor unions and congress should all be subject to
the law at the same time.><BR><BR>Everyone is subject to the same law.
In short, the law requires (I believe) everyone to be covered since everyone is
a liability. Those working for big business, labor unions, and in Congress
have insurance coverage. There is no reason to force them over to
Obamacare unless they themselves opt out from their organizations health care
plan and would otherwise represent an uncovered liability. I've heard this
same argument about everyone being forced over to Obamacare on right wing
radio. It's bogus and it's simply a ploy the Republicans to try and weaken
Obamacare and as Nick points out, isn't it funny all of the sudden that the free
market Republicans now want 'equality' for everyone.<BR><BR>Roger
continues:<BR><I believe it is unconstitutiionzl for Obama to let some people
of the hook. He does not have the constitutional authority to decide on his own
who to apply it to and who gets a delay.><BR><BR>If it is indeed
unconstitutional then you should be jumping for joy since a simple lawsuit run
up the flagpole to the Supremes could quickly smash this to bits and at the same
time validate your belief of unconstitutionality. Good luck with
that. I think this statement is should be filed in the category of
'blowing smoke'.<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:09:57 -0700<BR>From: ngier006@gmail.com<BR>To:
lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Concerning the Government Shutdown . . .<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Roger,
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<DIV>This whole idea of "fairness" is bogus, especially for a party whose
members say to all us "bleeding hearts": "Life is unfair." I say that more
taxes on super rich is "fair," but the GOP says it's not. I like my idea
of equity better than yours.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even hundreds of GOP congressional aides rose up and said "Unfair!" when
their employers tried to strip them their government health plans. They saw how
phony this charade is. Thanks to the Great Goddess, who is always fair,
the majority of your sad party refused to do it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Except for some computer problems, the individual mandate is ready to go,
none too late, for millions of people without coverage. Such as a friend's
sister with cancer who was arbitrarily kicked off Medicaid. She will now have
coverage, no questions asked. I ask you: Is it fair, if you had your
way, that millions of uninsured will not be able to sign up in the
exchanges??? I can't believe that you would answer Yes.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The situation with employer coverage is very different, and some fixes are
begging to be made. Already employee hours are being cynically cut because their
bosses don't want to cover them. Thanks to the individual mandate--a
conservative idea by the way--they can find their own coverage on the
exchanges. Your charge that the delay for employer coverage is
"unconstitutional" is absurd.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your history lesson is misguided. After piling up debt year after year
(finally tripling it, primarily in an unnecessary escalation of the Cold War),
Reagan was never threatened by the Democrats not to extend the debt limit.
They never attached "do or die" amendments to their budget proposals. They
made of their budgets, passed them on time, with Reagan's approval. The current
GOP has blocked every single budget compromise (spending cuts contingent on
modest tax increases). It's the GOP's fault that there is no budget.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If Reagan were here today, he would agree with your 2008 GOP presidential
candidate John McCain: this Tea Party madness must stop. Reagan would
certainly not agree with your defense of this egregious, terrorist-like
obstruction of government.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I challenge you to call your GOP representatives and relay McCain's message
to them. Even Boehner did not want this to happen, but he caved into his radical
right. He will eventually have to come back and drop this insane Obamacare
provision. The number of House Republicans ready to do this is growing day by
day. They know very well that Obama will not give in to blackmail and
extortion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Roger, I can't believe you really want to be left standing on the extreme,
extreme right. You don't do it locally, and you should not do it
nationally.</DIV>
<DIV>Why the inconsistency?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Eagerly waiting and wishing for the GOP, particularly its cowardly House
Speaker, to come to its senses, or collapse under the weight of own
irrationality and stupidity,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nick</DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM, lfalen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"
target=_blank>lfalen@turbonet.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>The shutdown will hurt a lot of people. Most people live paycheck
to paycheck. They have bills to pay. Also some people who need medical care
may not be able to get it. <BR> <BR>What needs to be done but won't be is
either that that Obamacare is delayed for a year for everyone or that everyone
is subject to the law now. Big business, labor unions and congress
should all be subject to the law at the same time. I believe it is
unconstitutiionzl for Obama to let some people of the hook. He does not have
the constitutional authority to decide on his own who to apply it to and who
gets a delay. <BR>The Democrats and the lamestream media are doing their best
to blame the shutdown on the Republicans and they will probably get away with
it. But it is not so. They are all responsible. The Democrats say that the
Republicans wont deal unless they get their way on Obamacare. But the
Democrats are just as recalcitrant. the House has sent a variety of different
bills to the Senate and they have rejected them all. Now the House is sending
over bills to fund various portions of the government and the Senate seems
bound and determined to reject these. So just who is responsible for the
continued shutdown. I long for the the days of Ronald Reagan and Tip
O'Neil.<BR> <BR>Roger<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=ecxim>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Tom Hansen" <<A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date: 10/02/13
10:46<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerning the Government Shutdown . .
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<P><SPAN>"In the event of a shutdown, stateside commissaries, including
Alaska and Hawaii, will be open for a full business day on Oct. 1 to reduce
the amount of perishables on-hand before beginning a systematic closure
process to account for unsold products and secure facilities.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Jeu recommends that customers stay tuned in to their local news
outlets for information about any impact to services on their
installations.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P><SPAN>During a shutdown, commissary customers should be able to access
the <A title="Link to www.commissaries.com" style="OUTLINE-STYLE: none"
href="http://www.commissaries.com/index.cfm" target=_blank>DeCA website</A>.
However, that site and the agency's social media platforms - Facebook,
Twitter and other sites - would not be updated after Oct. 1 until the
shutdown is over. Customers should be able to access the <A
title="Link to Department of Defense website" style="OUTLINE-STYLE: none"
href="http://www.defense.gov/" rel=external target=_blank>Department of
Defense website</A>, and its social media platforms for any updated
information and breaking news that affects service members and federal
government civilian employees."</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Source:</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><A
href="http://www.commissaries.com/press_room/press_release/2013/DeCA_67_13.cfm"
target=_blank>http://www.commissaries.com/press_room/press_release/2013/DeCA_67_13.cfm</A></SPAN></P>
<DIV>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</DIV>
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<DIV>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.MoscowCares.com"
target=_blank>http://www.MoscowCares.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">There's room at the top they are
telling you still</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN> </DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">If you
want to be like the folks on the hill."</SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <FONT size=3><SPAN>- John Lennon<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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<DIV><BR>On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Tom Hansen <<A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR> </DIV>
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<DIV>Although the Military Pay Act was passed and signed virtually seconds
before midnight Monday, thus ensuring that our soldiers, sailors, airmen,
and Marines will continue to be paid . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Commissaries on military installations, funded by the Department of
Defense budget, closed their doors yesterday morning. This may not
be much of an inconvenience to Installations like Fort Benning (Columbus,
Georgia is just outside the main gate) or Fort Dix (Wrightstown, New
Jersey is just outside its main gate). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But, when the commissary at Fort Irwin (home of the 11th Armored
Cavalry Regiment, 916th Support Brigade, and the National Training Center
Operations Group), suddenly the nearest location for grocery shopping
became Barstow, California . . . 45 (that's right, FORTY-FIVE) MILES
AWAY.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm guessing that there is not one member of congress who suddenly
had that inconvenience thrust upon them!</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.MoscowCares.com"
target=_blank>http://www.MoscowCares.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">There's room at the top they are
telling you still</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN> </DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you
kill </SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">If you want to be like the folks on the
hill."</SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN>- John Lennon<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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