<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span></span></div><div>"You'd be giving Bill Lambert a free pass to unleash his <span class="mark" id="misspell-0">virtriol</span> if his political leanings aligned with yours much the same way you give Tom a free pass" --Scott Dredge</div><div> </div><div>There is an important distinction here that Mr. Dredge is missing. Tom Hansen isn't running for Mayor. He has done his service to the public. So he is free to express his opinions of individuals within the City of Moscow. A Mayor or candidate for such office should not attack the character or intentionally insult the people s/he wishes to represent, as Mr. Lambert does. </div><div> </div><div>Donovan J. Arnold</div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new
york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com>; 'Saundra Lund' <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>; viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:53 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6963020685">
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<div><div dir="ltr">Here is the absolutely not so funny thing <span class="mark" id="misspell-3">Saunra</span> and Rose:<br><br><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><Words and phrases like “abrasive,”
“condescending,” “rude,” “talks over people,” “disrespectful,” “<span class="mark" id="misspell-4">doesn</span>’t
listen,” “<span class="mark" id="misspell-5">doesn</span>’t respect people with differing opinions,” etc., have
all been descriptors used><br><br>EVERY SINGLE ONE of these words/phrases could be used to describe Tom Hansen and here are only a few of MANY, MANY examples:<br></span><ul><li>RUDE to Wayne: Giving advice to Wayne about 'a message [he] can share with [his] buddies at [his] next circle jerk</li><li>CRUDE to Gary: 'Note to [Gary]: Deflate your girlfriend and give your hand a rest'</li><li>DISRESPECTFUL to Paul: 'I feel confident in saying that I have more time in the chow line than your entire tenure'</li><li>CONDESCENDING to <span class="mark" id="misspell-6">Sunil</span>: 'Grow up'</li><li>CONDESCENDING to Donovan: 'You really are struggling with the English language, huh?'</li><li>DOESN'T LISTEN: Or more accurately doesn't comprehend but ironically accuses others like me '<span class="mark" id="misspell-7">JEESH</span>! You really are struggling with sixth-grade English comprehension, huh?'</li><li>DOESN'T RESPECT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERING
OPINIONS: As admitted in his New Year's resolutions of 'To be more understanding of those whom I criticize . . . not necessarily agree with them, but attempt to understand from where they are coming. To not only express my disapproval/disagreement, but to explain why I disapprove/disagree in terms so as to promote constructive <span class="mark" id="misspell-8">dialogue</span>, not degenerative monologue.'</li><li>TALKS OVER PEOPLE: As demonstrated by continuously <span class="mark" id="misspell-9">overposting</span> to the viz.<br></li></ul><br><br>And yet nary a word from either of you regarding your buddy Tom probably because as Tom writes often about his dear <span class="mark" id="misspell-10">intolerista</span> friends: 'You are, will continue to be, and always have been, one of the good guys, Sue [and Saundra and Rose and others as <span class="mark" id="misspell-11">likeminded</span> as us], as this old photo of one of the several <span
class="mark" id="misspell-12">Intolerista</span> get-<span class="mark" id="misspell-13">togethers</span> clearly shows of just a portion of your friends.'<br><br><br>You'd be giving Bill Lambert a free pass to unleash his <span class="mark" id="misspell-14">virtriol</span> if his political leanings aligned with yours much the same way you give Tom a free pass to bash ANYONE and EVERYONE who has differing views than him be it Mitt 'lack of integrity' Romney, John 'Shut Up' Weber, Dale 'unethical' Courtney, etc., etc., etc., ad <span class="mark" id="misspell-15">nausuem</span> so much so that it SHOULD make you sick to your stomach. And yet surprisingly, it doesn't.<br><br><br>Go ahead and complain and criticize the 'Good <span class="mark" id="misspell-16">Ol</span>' Boys' and white entitlement and have zero clue that you're engaging in the exact same sort of behavior with your own group of supposed moral elitists.<br><br><br><br>Here's an
idea...how about we actually go down the list of specific issues that candidates are campaigning on and discuss their merits of how good or bad each one of these issues would be for Moscow? Or would it be easier to let Tom inundate the viz unopposed singing the praises of his good buddies that think like him and for those he opposes let him (as if anyone could stop him) post mounds of unflattering links / sound bites, photos, <span class="mark" id="misspell-17">photoshopped</span> crap, and his view that so-and-so is unworthy because they didn't serve in the military?<br><br><br><br>-Scott<br><br><br><div><div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div>From: donaldrose@cpcinternet.com<br>To: v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Sun, 29 <span class="mark" id="misspell-18">Sep</span> 2013 13:01:01
-0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="yiv6963020685ecxWordSection1"><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks, Saundra, for <span class="mark" id="misspell-19">reposting</span> this email. It is as timely the second time as it was the first! I was there as well and it was humiliating moment for all of us. It certainly was not a positive interaction for Mr. Lambert. Perhaps this reminder will allow Mr. Lambert to make a very belated apology.</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Rose Huskey</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Saundra Lund<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'viz'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Since Bill Lambert has opted to run for mayor, and since I've had several people contact me privately to ask why I consider Lambert to be a bully, this seems to be a good time to <span class="mark" id="misspell-22">repost</span> something I originally posted here back in 2007.</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'll add that since then, my opinion of Lambert's character hasn't changed based on
the experiences of others who've shared with me. Words and phrases like “abrasive,” “condescending,” “rude,” “talks over people,” “disrespectful,” “<span class="mark" id="misspell-23">doesn</span>’t listen,” “<span class="mark" id="misspell-24">doesn</span>’t respect people with differing opinions,” etc., have all been descriptors used . . . and those are the flattering ones.</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wayne Price, I think, recently mentioned he thinks it's "time for a change," but I'm not one for giving a vote to a rude, disrespectful bully who obviously lacks the character needed to work with diverse people on behalf of the City. But maybe his support of Bill "The Bully" Lambert is nothing more than an example of the old adage that birds of a
feather flock together :-)</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Anyway, here's a <span class="mark" id="misspell-25">repost</span> of my personal experience with Lambert's conduct when acting in his official capacity of a P&Z commissioner. I deleted some of the trailing posts; for those interested in reading the entire thread, you can find it <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-April/043084.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Saundra Lund</span></div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Moscow, ID</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] On Behalf Of Saundra Lund<br>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:56 PM<br>To: 'Mark Solomon'; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] <span class="mark" id="misspell-28">Wheaton</span> Story in paper</div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Hi Mark,</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">It's been awhile, but I'm happy to share what I recall with the hope that others at the meeting with perhaps with better recollection might also share.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">The current Council member to whom I'm referring is Bill Lambert, who was at the time on the City of Moscow's Planning and Zoning Commission.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact date of the meeting, but I believe it was in the summer of 2005, and it might have been during the meeting on 7/13/2005.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">There was quite a decent turnout for the P&Z meeting, and
I remember Chair Jerry <span class="mark" id="misspell-29">Schutz</span> commenting on how pleased he was to see so many people take an interest in P&Z. <span class="mark" id="misspell-30">IIRC</span>, he said they weren't used to having an audience, or at least, such a large audience.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">My recollection is that the Commission members were originally seated around a table on the floor (where the Council Administrative and Public Works & Finance Committees sit), but it seems to me they readjusted themselves to sit on only three sides before the meeting actually started as more people showed up.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">I also recall that the microphones weren't being used at that point.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><span class="mark" id="misspell-31">IIRC</span>, I was seated about four or maybe five rows back, and Mr. <span class="mark" id="misspell-32">Schutz</span> asked if everyone could hear what was being said. More than a few people indicated they were having difficulty hearing, and I believe Mr. <span class="mark" id="misspell-33">Schutz</span> said something about they'd try to remember to keep their voices up and to let them know if voices dropped.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">At least some voices were kept up for a bit, and some commissioners did better at this than others. Mr. Lambert was speaking, and a gentleman seated in the first or second row (<span class="mark" id="misspell-34">IIRC</span>) raised his hand to indicate that he couldn't hear what was being said. I believe Mr. <span class="mark"
id="misspell-35">Schutz</span> verified that the gentleman's hand was raised because he couldn't hear, and more than a few others (myself included) indicated that we couldn't hear Mr. Lambert's comments, either. Mr. <span class="mark" id="misspell-36">Schutz</span> again asked the commissioners to remember to keep their voices up, and I believe the discussion continued briefly before Mr. Lambert again couldn't be heard and the gentleman again raised his hand and said something like, "Can you please speak UP? I still can't hear you."</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">At which point Mr. Lambert became overtly hostile, defensive and downright rude, and he said something like he was speaking as loudly as he was going to speak and he wasn't going to yell to be heard. Mind you, the audience was appropriately orderly, so it's not like people talking in the gallery were the
cause. There was a bit more to Mr. Lambert's rant, but I was so aghast I don't recall further specifics other than there was *no difficulty* hearing what he was saying then, so clearly Mr. Lambert was capable of making himself heard when he wanted to.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">At that point, the gentleman got up to leave, saying something like, "Public meetings don't do any good if the public can't hear" as he left. I think it was clear to all present that the gentleman wasn't happy, and my eyebrows weren't the only ones raised at Mr. Lambert's reprehensible behavior.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">My recollection is that this all happened within the first 15 minutes or so of the meeting, but again, it was almost two years ago.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">I was absolutely stunned by Mr. Lambert's tirade. I've been to a lot of government meetings in my life, and outside some in the UK, and I'd never seen anything quite like Mr. Lambert's attack on those who couldn't make out his mumbling. Quite frankly, his conduct was inappropriate, he was disrespectful to his fellow commissioners and to the audience, and his behavior was an embarrassment to the City he was appointed to represent.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Not only was the gentleman who was the target of Mr. Lambert's rant due an apology, but so, too, were the rest of us present. However, none was forthcoming at that meeting or any of the subsequent P&Z meetings I attended.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">I'll also interject that the gentleman was only one of *many* who were having difficulty hearing the
meeting. People sitting closer than I were having difficulty, people sitting in the same row I was were having trouble, and people seated further back were all having trouble hearing.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">After the gentleman left, my recollection is that the commissioners relocated to dais (where the City Council sits) and the microphones were turned on. Interestingly -- or not -- members of the audience continued to have some difficulty making out what Mr. Lambert said because microphones don't do much good if they aren't spoken into.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Mr. Lambert created such a spectacle of himself I'll not soon forget it.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">And, it's really too bad he didn't have the good sense to
simply apologize as others have done -- were it not for his arrogance and had he done the right thing by apologizing, he might well have gotten one of my votes for City Council. As it is, I'll always remember his inappropriate public behavior, his poor judgment, and his tendency to fly off the handle with little or no provocation; none of those are qualities I want in my elected officials.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Saundra Lund</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Moscow, ID</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">- Edmund Burke</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">From: Mark Solomon [<a href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">mailto:msolomon@moscow.com</span></a>]</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:56 PM</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">To: Saundra Lund; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] <span class="mark" id="misspell-39">Wheaton</span> Story in paper</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">Saundra,</div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">For those of us who are only hearing of this for the first time, could you elaborate a bit more?</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">thank you,</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">m.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">At 10:48 AM -0700 4/5/07, Saundra Lund wrote:</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Perhaps one or the other can replace the current Council member who, </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>when serving on a commission, thought those in the audience didn't need </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>to hear what was being discussed in the public meeting by the </div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>commission members</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">and</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>who, in fact, was INCREDIBLY RUDE to an elderly man who requested the </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>board members speak up so they could be heard.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>It was my opinion that had more Moscow citizens been at that meeting -- </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>or if videos of those meetings were available or had that meeting been </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>covered by the press (assuming we had a real newspaper, which we don't </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>appear to</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>have) -- that particular current Council member never would have been </div><div
class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>elected. It was one of the more shameful displays I've ever seen in a </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>public meeting :-(((</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Saundra Lund</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Moscow, ID</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>do nothing.</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>- Edmund Burke</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>-----Original Message-----</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>From: <a
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</span></a> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>[<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</span></a>]</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>On Behalf Of <span class="mark" id="misspell-42">lfalen</span></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:04 AM</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>To: g. <span class="mark" id="misspell-43">crabtree</span>; Matt Decker; <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><span style="color:
windowtext; text-decoration: none;">privatejf32@hotmail.com</span></a>;</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a></div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] <span class="mark" id="misspell-44">Wheaton</span> Story in paper</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Decker and <span class="mark" id="misspell-45">Crabtree</span> for City Council</div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">> </div><div class="yiv6963020685ecxMsoPlainText">>Roger</div></div><br>=======================================================
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