<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span><div>"Can you be any more vague regarding your concerns of protection that supposedly were in place at one time in the history of the United Stages but have now been <span>compromised, altered, ignored or eliminated?"--Scott</span><br><br>Scott,</div><div> </div><div>Yes, I could be as vague as you in stating which precise protections you think you still, or ever had. You listed none. The protections which you eluded to, are only enforceable inside a court room. So, unless you are promised a willing, capable legal defense team in the courtroom equal to that of the Government Prosecutor, could you get them. Considering the unlimited resources of the State, and your limited resources, I am sure in a battle for your rights, you would lose, as does most Americans.</div><div> </div><div>You have no privacy in your
home or papers because everything is now electronic and can be easily hacked, including your private email and cell phone conversations. In terms of elected offices, lets keep in mind it is now legal for corporations to be able to give as much money as they want to politicians who can spend the money however they want, as long as they call it campaign funds and file it that way with their taxes. Today, you cannot even fly inside the country without being semi or completely strip searched. </div><div> </div><div>If this nation has so many protections for its people, why are more of them in prison then all other nations? Proof is in the pudding. A State where 1 in 18 men are in the correctional system is a not a State of Freedoms and Protections, it is a State of Big Brother. </div><div> </div><div>Donovan J. Arnold</div><div> </div><div> </div></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com>; Sunil <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<br> </font> </div> <div
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<div><div dir="ltr"><<span>What protections do you think we
still have in this nation that have not been compromised, altered, ignored or eliminated? ><br><br>I think I still have all the protections afforded to me by the United States Constitution as they have been interpreted by the United States Supreme Court regarding any laws that were enacted that attempted to compromise, alter, ignore, or eliminate these protections. Thus such laws were either affirmed as Constitutional or were struck down.<br><br>Can you be any more vague regarding your concerns of protection that supposedly were in place at one time in the history of the United Stages but have now been </span><span>compromised, altered, ignored or eliminated?</span><wbr><wbr>-Scott<wbr><wbr><div><div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:56:20 -0700<wbr>From:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<wbr>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<wbr>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com; donaldrose@cpcinternet.com; sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<wbr>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<wbr><wbr><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Scott,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I'm not expecting a utopian society, or even a near perfect legal system. However, the USA is the leading jailer in the WORLD. We have the highest percentage of people in prison then any other nation. That doesn't sound like a free nation or a good legal system. One out of 18 men in this country is either in prison, jail, house arrest, or on probation. This is NOT a disaster? I think it is s monumental disaster. Not anything close to success.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>What
nation's numbers do I think are better? Every other nation's number are lower. So, I guess that it would be any nation you can name, I would prefer. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>What protections do you think we
still have in this nation that have not been compromised, altered, ignored or eliminated? </span></div><div> </div><div>Donovan J. Arnold</div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="yiv0967756601hr" style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com>; Sunil <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 8,
2013 12:24 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0967756601ecxy_msg_container"><div id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121">
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<div><div dir="ltr">It's not a 'total disaster'. And you'd be hard pressed to find a better system of making and enforcing the rule of law combined with individual protections, but it depends on what defines your criteria of 'success'. What country (past or present) outside of the Unites States comes close to achieving your idea of utopia?<div><div class="yiv0967756601hr" style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;"></div>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 19:04:16 -0700 From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com To: donaldrose@cpcinternet.com; sunilramalingam@hotmail.com CC: vision2020@moscow.com Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;"> Rose,</span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div><span><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;">I think that it is endearing
there are many people with law degrees that are trying to correct injustices in
the world. However, it is lawyers, collectively, that are blocking many people
from getting legal help by restricting access to legal advice to only lawyers,
and expanding the definition of legal advice, and then limiting the ability
of lawyers financially being able to do pro <span id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxmisspell-0"><span class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121mark">bono</span></span> and free work.</span></span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div><span><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;">Further, many lawyers will <span class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxmsid13970">litigate </span></span><span style="color: black;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">any</font></span><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;">thing just for the
money, not a real injustice, and they make everything monumentally expensive.
The worst is medical collections. Lawyers go after people if a medical
bill is late one day, they already got it in court. They could not destroy
people and their lives more <span class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121mark"><span id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxmisspell-1"><span class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121mark"><span id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxmisspell-1">thoroughly</span></span></span></span>
if they tried.</span></span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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</font></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;">I'm willing
to bet, that if the Federal Government <span class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121mark"><span id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxmisspell-2">investigated</span></span>
convictions of people in prison, at random, they would find serious flaws and
injustices in how people are treated, sentenced, and imprisoned
in a surprisingly high percentage of the cases. It isn't just a flawed
system, is a seriously backwards system that is geared toward helping
nobody but lawyers. In any outcome, good or bad for the accused, or
victim, society or businesses, the lawyers always win, and always get their
money, always. Lawyers make the laws, and they not surprisingly make them to
favor themselves over anyone else. That is why people collectively don't like
lawyers, collectively. If taken individually, there are some wonderful people
that are lawyers, but that doesn't change what they have done collectively to
our legal system, making it a total disaster. </span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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</font></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;">Donovan J.
Arnold </span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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</font></div><div><span></span> </div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121hr" style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Donovan Arnold' <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; 'Sunil Ramalingam' <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'vision 2020' <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 6, 2013 6:01 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] N.S.A.
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--></style><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303WordSection1"><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Donovan, I don’t disagree with you that access to attorney should be a right and not a privilege – I am a aware that many attorneys provide pro bono help to clients – and that generosity is distinctly different behavior than most other professions. I guess the ideal solution would be legal aid clinics – publicly funded for civil cases at a minimal cost to the client (or free ). In particular, the underserved groups that you described are often vulnerable and without easy access to legal counsel. I don’t blame attorney for this I blame a system that has always favored (or feared) the wealthy (preferably white) men. I don’t have to remind you that money = power = control.</span></div><div
class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Rose</span></div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com]
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 06, 2013 5:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rosemary Huskey; 'Sunil Ramalingam'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'vision 2020'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Rose,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">I cannot judge individuals. I do know that lawyers prevent anyone else from advising anyone about the law even for small cases, like a paralegal cannot even give you
basics of a how a
court hearing transpires, or where to look up your rights. I know that lawyers work for hundreds of dollars an hour, blocking most people from seeking a lawyer. I know that the costs of creating lawyers is intentionally made expensive, as well as limiting their numbers to reduce competition. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Firms do this to keep their numbers low, so that they can keep their profits high. So there are not enough lawyers at an affordable rate because of lawyers collective actions. They have their excuses, like not wanting unqualified people to be lawyers or giving bad advice. However, increasing the number of lawyers would reduce the number of people in prison, and prevent people from being unjustly treated in our society because they cannot afford an
attorney to defend or represent them in life, particularly those with disabilities, the elderly, the undereducated, and poor. The rich can and do trounce on people because a lawyer is too expensive for them. This is grave injustice, and only exists because of the collective actions of lawyers wanting to charge a great deal of profit. It is better to be a salmon swimming upstream and through a dam then to be a lawyer and afford to defend the poor. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">My only major problem with police is speed traps. This is dishonest. I don't trust police that set up speed traps. It is designed to make money for the town or
city. This is unethical. Speed limits should ONLY be used for the safety of the community and people on the roads. Not a cash cow. It is abuse of the people, and the office. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Donovan J. Arnold</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> Rosemary Huskey <<a
href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Donovan Arnold' <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>; 'Sunil Ramalingam' <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> 'vision 2020' <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 6, 2013 4:39 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303"><div><div><div><div
class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Hi Donovan,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">We mostly agree about things but I have to ask if you really intended to be so globally critical of lawyers? Every profession/occupation has jackasses – but that is not the whole picture. There are many heroes and heroines who show up every day (for crappy pay) to defend challenging clients in Idaho. They
do it because they believe in justice not because they are corrupt. The odds are stacked against them in many places in Idaho – the state funds all the prosecutor offices and pays staff salaries, provides law libraries etc. Few counties in Idaho fund an office and staff for the P.D.’s . Latah does not. I don’t know if it is still the case locally but it used to be a low bid contract – and the P.D.s made incredible personal sacrifices and carried huge case loads to provide counsel to indigent clients. And, yes, I do have a personal connection to a former public defender. But, the nights and weekends she worked after a ten hour work day give lie to the words that lawyers don’t care about justice. Some may not, but we have many honorable local attorneys, some of whom appear regularly on this chat group. They are a credit to their profession and a blessing to their
clients.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Best,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Rose</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium
medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 06, 2013 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div
class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Sunil,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">The best defense against a lie is to always tell the truth. Anything you say or do online or over a cell phone may be used against you in a court of law. There
is a reason the United States has the most people in prison, it doesn't care about protections of the people. Everything is 100% about profit for a corporation. Our politicians and legal system is just as corrupted and crooked as it has ever been. Lawyers don't care about justice, and politicians don't care about the people they were elected to protect and act in their trust. </span><span style="color: black;">So, really, it doesn't matter if evidence is obtained illegally or legally if the rest of the legal and political system is also contaminated. </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Lawyers need to work for Justice, not a profit. Politicians need to
work for the People, not the
Corporations. Because truly, without this, there will be no observance of the Constitution and the protections of individual rights. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Donovan J. Arnold</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background:
white;"><b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 6, 2013 6:23 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303"><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">Scott,You've suggested before that you weren't very concerned about the NSA revelations because we have
constitutional protections that would prevent illegally obtained evidence from being used against us. (Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but I believe that was the gist of your position. Please correct as necessary.) Anyway, I'm wondering if you saw this story when it came out last month:<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808</a>The DEA has lied in cases and created a false story about how it obtained evidence, hiding how they actually, illegally obtained information.How are we to depend on our constitutional protections if the government does this?Sunil</span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">From: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.comTo" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.comTo">scooterd408@hotmail.comTo</a>: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.comDate" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.comDate">rforce2003@yahoo.comDate</a>: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:17:59 -0600CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.comSubject" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.comSubject">vision2020@moscow.comSubject</a>: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">I recall several years ago Paul Harvey had a story about a free ware program called PGP which stood for Pretty Good Protection that government didn't like because they couldn't easily crack it and it violated some
national security
law (ironic isn't
it?). I think it would be difficult for anyone or any group to stymie the NSA on this front. They just have too many resources and employ too many sharp cookies that thrive on decrypting the most difficult and world class encryption schemes. The best bet might be to just try and fall back on whatever Constitutional protections are available such as the 4th Amendment. That might help from being criminally convicted of wrong doing, but wouldn't necessarily protect against private information becoming public.</span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:58:52 -0700From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.comTo" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.comTo">godshatter@yahoo.comTo</a>: <a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.comCC" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.comCC">rforce2003@yahoo.comCC</a>: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.comSubject" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.comSubject">vision2020@moscow.comSubject</a>: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">You've hit the nail on the head. Nobody cares. That's exactly the problem. Well done, sir. Paul On 09/05/2013 05:08 PM, Ron Force wrote: </span></div></div></div><blockquote><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">This one?</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color:
black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> <b>Error! Filename not specified.</b></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA</span></div></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(16, 16, 255); padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color:
black;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> Scott Dredge <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; Art Deco <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; viz <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:01
PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303ecxyiv1737088140"><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">It'll be obvious by whatever cartoon is posted. <span style="padding: 0in; border: 1pt solid windowtext;"><img width="100" height="100" id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303_x005f_x0000_i1025" alt="Image removed by sender. Emoji" src="cid:1.385613346@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" border="0"></span></span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:53:33 -0700 From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a> To: <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">I wonder if Mr. Hansen still thinks I'm being paranoid about my online privacy. Paul </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color:
black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> Art Deco <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 5, 2013 12:54 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div id="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303ecxyiv1737088140ecxyiv9092984980"><div><table width="500" class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormalTable" style="width:
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orders and behind-the-scenes persuasion to undermine the
major tools protecting the
privacy of everyday communications in the Internet age, according to newly disclosed documents.</span></div></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 3pt 0in 9pt;"><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16.5pt;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 11.5pt;">The agency has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption, or digital scrambling, that guards global commerce and banking systems, protects sensitive data like trade secrets and medical records, and automatically secures the e-mails, Web searches, Internet chats and phone calls of Americans and others around the world, the documents show.</span></div></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 3pt 0in 9pt;"><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16.5pt;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 11.5pt;">Many users assume — or have been assured by Internet companies — that
their data is safe from prying
eyes, including those of the
government, and the N.S.A. wants to keep it that way. The agency treats its recent successes in deciphering protected information as among its most closely guarded secrets, restricted to those cleared for a highly classified program code-named Bullrun, according to the documents, provided by Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor.</span></div></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 2.25pt 0in 8.25pt;"><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16.5pt;"><b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 1);">READ MORE »</span></b><b></b></div><div><div class="yiv0967756601ecxyiv0701344121ecxyiv0194891303MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16.5pt;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 1); font-size: 8.5pt;"><a
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