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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Scott,<br><br>You've suggested before that you weren't very concerned about the NSA revelations because we have constitutional protections that would prevent illegally obtained evidence from being used against us. (Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but I believe that was the gist of your position. Please correct as necessary.) Anyway, I'm wondering if you saw this story when it came out last month:<br><br><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808</a><br><br>The DEA has lied in cases and created a false story about how it obtained evidence, hiding how they actually, illegally obtained information.<br><br>How are we to depend on our constitutional protections if the government does this?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br>To: godshatter@yahoo.com; rforce2003@yahoo.com<br>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:17:59 -0600<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<br><br>

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<div dir="ltr">I recall several years ago Paul Harvey had a story about a free ware program called PGP which stood for Pretty Good Protection that government didn't like because they couldn't easily crack it and it violated some national security law (ironic isn't it?).  I think it would be difficult for anyone or any group to stymie the NSA on this front.  They just have too many resources and employ too many sharp cookies that thrive on decrypting the most difficult and world class encryption schemes.  The best bet might be to just try and fall back on whatever Constitutional protections are available such as the 4th Amendment.  That might help from being criminally convicted of wrong doing, but wouldn't necessarily protect against private information becoming public.<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:58:52 -0700<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: rforce2003@yahoo.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<br><br>
  
    
  
  
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      You've hit the nail on the head.  Nobody cares.  That's exactly
      the problem.  Well done, sir.<br>
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      Paul<br>
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      On 09/05/2013 05:08 PM, Ron Force wrote:<br>
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          Moscow Idaho USA</div>
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                  <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Scott
                    Dredge <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com"><scooterd408@hotmail.com></a><br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                    Paul Rumelhart <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a>; Art
                    Deco <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"><art.deco.studios@gmail.com></a>; viz
                    <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> <br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                    Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:01 PM<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                    Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet
                    Encryption<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">It'll be obvious by whatever
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                          <hr id="ecxyiv1737088140stopSpelling">Date: Thu,
                          5 Sep 2013 14:53:33 -0700<br>
                          From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
                          To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>;
                          <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much
                          Internet Encryption<br>
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                          <div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;">I wonder if
                            Mr. Hansen still thinks I'm being paranoid
                            about my online privacy.<br>
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                            Paul<br>
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                                    Art Deco
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                                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
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                                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                                    Thursday, September 5, 2013 12:54 PM<br>
                                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                                    [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much
                                    Internet Encryption<br>
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                                              The National Security
                                              Agency is winning its
                                              long-running secret war on
                                              encryption, using
                                              supercomputers, technical
                                              trickery, court orders and
                                              behind-the-scenes
                                              persuasion to undermine
                                              the major tools protecting
                                              the privacy
                                              of everyday communications
                                              in the Internet age,
                                              according to newly
                                              disclosed
                                              documents.</td>
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                                            <td style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22px;font-size:15px;padding:4px 0px 12px;">The agency has
                                              circumvented or cracked
                                              much of the encryption,
                                              or digital scrambling,
                                              that guards global
                                              commerce and banking
                                              systems, protects
                                              sensitive data like trade
                                              secrets and medical
                                              records, and automatically
                                              secures
                                              the e-mails, Web searches,
                                              Internet chats and phone
                                              calls of Americans and
                                              others around the world,
                                              the documents show.</td>
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                                            <td style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22px;font-size:15px;padding:4px 0px 12px;">Many users
                                              assume — or
                                              have been assured by
                                              Internet companies — that
                                              their data is safe from
                                              prying eyes, including
                                              those of the government,
                                              and the N.S.A. wants to
                                              keep it
                                              that way. The agency
                                              treats its recent
                                              successes in deciphering
                                              protected
                                              information as among its
                                              most closely guarded
                                              secrets, restricted to
                                              those
                                              cleared for a highly
                                              classified program
                                              code-named Bullrun,
                                              according to the
                                              documents, provided by
                                              Edward J. Snowden, the
                                              former N.S.A. contractor.</td>
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