<style>div.iw_mail p{margin:0;padding:0;}</style><div class="iw_mail" dir="LTR"><style>div.<span class="spell">iw</span>_mail p{margin:0;padding:0;}</style><div dir="LTR" class="iw_mail"><p>The October 2013 issue of Discover Magazine has a special report on Food at Risk ( Arsenic, mercury, E. coli- What you need to know about toxins lurking in your groceries)</p><p>Roger<br></p><div class="signature"></div><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 1em; font-family: tahoma,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; margin-left: 1em; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;" dir="LTR" class="reply_block"><hr SIZE="1">-----Original Message-----<br>From: lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>To: vision2020@moscow.com, "Art Deco" <art.deco.studios@gmail.com><br>Date: 08/31/13 10:46<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets (Suggested Reading)<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="iw_mail"><div dir="ltr" class="iw_mail"><br><div>The September 2013 issue of Scientific American is a special issue on food. The June 2013 issue of the Smithsonian is also a special issue on food.</div>
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<hr SIZE="1">-----Original Message-----<br>From: "Art Deco" <art.deco.studios@gmail.com><br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: 08/31/13 06:44<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets<br><br><div dir="ltr"> <div>@Paul,<br><br> </div>Do you think that eating a high fat diet for years might have caused the condition Atkins died of? Perhaps you should read a little about the long term effects of high fat diets, those high in "bad" fats like beef fat.<br><br>w.<br> </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM, lfalen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> <p>Mediterranean may be misleading as one might think of a lot of pasta. Not the case. The DASH diet is similar. One should eat whole grains and a minimum of processed or high carb. foods. The more color the better (blueberries etc.), eat legumes and nuts.</p>
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<div><div class="h5">-----Original Message-----<br>From: lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>, "Art Deco" <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>, "Paul Rumelhart" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: 08/30/13 17:58<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> <p>I would not recommend any of the diets you mentioned for long term. the Atkins diet can lead to health problems in the long term. It is especially dangerous for any one with kidney problems. For overall good heath I would recommend the Mediterranean Diet or something close to it. In other words a diet with lots of variety, high in fruits and vegetables, vegatable oil such as Olive, some fish, a small amount of red meat, and low fat dairy products.</p>
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<hr SIZE="1">-----Original Message-----<br>From: "Paul Rumelhart" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "Art Deco" <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: 08/30/13 17:02<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">I've seen this claim before. Here is what snopes says: <a href="http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp</a><br><br>When he went in to the hospital because of head injuries he sustained from a fall outside of his clinic on April 8, 2003, he weighed 195 pounds. When he died after being in a coma 9 days later on April 17, 2003, he weighed in at 258 pounds.<br><br>I doubt he gained 60 pounds in 9 days on the Atkins diet while in a coma. A quote from the spokesperson for the Atkins Physician Counsel: <font color="#000000" size="3" face="Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial">"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds."</font><br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <div>To see how well it worked long term for Atkins himself read about his condition at his death and how his widow (an interesting story in itself) tried to suppress the photos and evidence of what a bloated pig he was at his death.<br><br> </div>w.<br> </div>
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<br><br><div>On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Is anyone out there on, or have been on, a ketogenic (low carb) diet like Atkins, Zone, South Beach, etc? Did it work for you? Did you run into any problems?<br><br>I'm in my third week of a low carb diet, losing around 2-3 pounds a week. I'm shooting for less than 20g of carbs a day, which basically means no breads, no potatoes, no pasta, and no sugar-laden anything. For those unfamiliar with the reasoning behind being on one, you basically have to look at your weight problem not as a calories in vs calories out problem, but one involving fat storage mechanisms. Carbs and sugars cause an insulin response, and insulin is what triggers your body to store fat. Avoiding carbs and getting your calories from fat and protein doesn't cause insulin spiking or insulin resistance, which allows your body to shed the excess pounds. It also fixes your appetite so you are not hungry all the time and eat less.<br><br>So far I'm feeling great on the diet, but I just want to know if someone has tried it and grown a extra eye or something.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>Paul<br></font></span><div><span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div> </div></div>
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