<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">You want Martin to be completely innocent and you want Zimmerman to be the aggressor here. Yet the evidence doesn't lead to that conclusion. It does seem consistent with Martin jumping Zimmerman, though. Which leads me to believe that Martin wasn't 100% innocent in this. Like I've said before, Zimmerman's big mistake was following Martin too enthusiastically. Martin's mistake was attacking a man that happened to be armed. I'm sorry, but that's the best scenario I can find that fits what facts we have. It just doesn't fit the "Zimmerman stalked and killed an innocent black teen" narrative that you are still sticking with.<br><br>If the facts lead to that conclusion, then I wouldn't be fighting that meme. People's insistent that it's true in spite of what evidence we do have is
putting his life and the lives of his parents and brother in real danger right now, not that I see any of you giving a damn about that.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'viz' <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:40 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0243142964"><style><!--
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--></style><div><div class="yiv0243142964WordSection1"><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Gosh, Paul – thanks <b>again </b>for showing us that you’ll stop at nothing to defend the nut with the gun who killed an innocent kid.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">You know, it’s beyond offensive for you to talk about a “narrative” when the “narrative” you are so desperate to believe is one in which you blame the <b>victim -- </b>a kid who was doing absolutely nothing wrong and wound up <b>dead</b> because some whack job with phony testosterone in the form of a gun thought he
“looked suspicious” – for contributing to his own death. How convenient that you’ve chosen to adopt a “narrative” fundamentally based on the dishonest & inherently unreliable word of that whack job since Zimmerman made sure Trayvon wasn’t alive to tell his side. You willingly – and even desperately -- swallowed Zimmerman’s actor-observer bias while tossing any critical thinking skills you possess out the window . . . all the while trying to convince us that your “narrative” is the only correct one. Hogwash.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">A distinction you’ve still failed to make – like so many others who will do <b>anything</b> to
defend the narrative of the nut with the gun – is that there’s a world of difference between explaining your thinking as to why you think the Zimmerman verdict was the right one (something you’ve done repeatedly here) <b>and</b> defending Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon by blaming the innocent victim. Seriously – what’s with that? Certainly, the distinction isn’t above your cognitive ability, so why does your “narrative” continue to blame the innocent kid?</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Tell us: are you one of those who also blames sexual assault victims? You know: she – or he -- “shouldn’t” have been out at night and all those
other rubbish excuses that used to be all too acceptable – and are still all too common – for idiotically assigning attribution to victims rather than perpetrators.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And, do you blame child molestation victims, too? They are, you know, just soo irresistibly seductive! That kid – boy or girl -- was just begging their father or grandpa or uncle or coach neighbor to “teach” them, right?</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">How about law-abiding economically disadvantaged people who live in crime-ridden areas . . . do you blame them when they are senselessly shot down walking their kid to the school bus? Or, how about business owners who try to combat urban blight & bring economic revitalization to areas with high unemployment – do you blame them when their businesses are robbed or burgled?</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I’d also be really curious to listen to your spin on blaming all those lynching victims – what, were they too uppity? “Should” they have known better than to be
out after dark? “Should” they have known better than to make eye contact with a white woman or child? “Should” they have known that registering legitimate folks to vote would “contribute to” their own lynching? “Should” they have known that the mere color of their skin was going to inflame the hatred and bigotry of whackos & thus have lived hidden lives, much the way you seem to think Trayvon and others like him “should” do or be killed?</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Please – do enlighten the rest of the ignorant amongst us who have learned that blaming the victim is nothing other than a pathetic attempt at rationalizing & justifying
injustice. Just exactly how is it an unarmed kid lawfully walking home from a convenience store on a rainy evening who indisputably had become aware that he was being <b>stalked</b> by some unknown whacko did anything wrong? </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Other than being black, that is.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Oh – I guess you think he was being uppity because “fight” rather than
“flight” kicked in when his very life was in danger from being stalked by Zimmerman, don’t you? I see . . . somehow, you think it was OK for the whacko creepy adult with a gun to “stand his ground” in public, but the innocent kid did something wrong by not fleeing the whacko.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Hypocrite.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And, had Trayvon been shot in the back running
away, you’d probably be blaming his running for contributing to his completely unjust death at the hands of a whacko with a gun.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Hypocrite.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Seriously, are there no depths to which you won’t sink to defend the indefensible? Your crazy “narrative” tells us a lot more about you than it does about Zimmerman, that’s for sure, and I’ll
give you a clue: it’s nothing to be proud of and is, in fact, logically incoherent.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">But, hey – you feel free to just keep right on knocking yourself out with destructive “narratives” in which blaming innocent victims is acceptable while the rest of us continue to live in the 21<sup>st</sup> century and recognize that victim blaming isn’t acceptable, is in fact, destructive, and only makes sense to those with fragile egos and desperate rationalization needs, no matter how pathetic.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">
</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Saundra</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Moscow, ID</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The least I can do is speak out for those who cannot speak out for themselves.</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">~ Jane Goodall</span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",
"sans-serif";color:windowtext;"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Campbell<br><b>Cc:</b> viz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><br>That's the narrative I'm talking about. It completely ignores Trayvon Martin's own actions that helped lead to his death and it exaggerates George Zimmerman's actions. Following someone down a sidewalk is not the same as "hunting" a person. We have exactly zero evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin in order to kill him. <br><br>But have fun with the narrative. If you happen across Zimmerman, get in a few licks for the rest of us.<br><br>Paul <br><br>On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell
wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal">Goes against the narrative? The guy stalked a kid, against the advice of a 911 operator, and ended up killing him. </div></div><div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal">Honestly, I just don't get it. Stalking and shooting is a lot closer to hunting than self-defense. Why is that so difficult for you to see?</div></div><div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv0243142964MsoNormal"><br>Well, he and his family do get death threats regularly: <a rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" href="http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/">http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/</a><br><br>And there is a $10,000 bounty put on Zimmerman for his capture by the New Black Panther Party: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/">http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/</a><br><br>So maybe he is in need of a good home-defense weapon.<br><br>Of course, progressives are not allowed to feel bad about that because it goes against the narrative. Pity, one could almost feel bad for a guy who is reviled on the national stage for protecting himself from
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