<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">What part of this isn't defensible?<br><br>What I feel compelled to do is try to break this idea that he stalked Martin and shot him because he hated black people. I don't see any evidence for that, but I see lots of evidence that Zimmerman's story as he told it adds up. It's institutionalized hatred at this point, supported by the President on down. That's a scary thing to me.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></b> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:30 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0610680444">
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<div><div dir="ltr">Paul,<br><br>Some things aren't defensible. Zimmerman engaging in this is not defensible. It's an idiotic, asshole move.<br><br>Why do you feel compelled to defend his every action?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="yiv0610680444stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:30:10 -0700<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory<br><br>
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You're right. He should look properly chastened at all times so
as not to offend people like yourself. I bet he was laughing at a
joke! The bastard.<br>
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I will admit that if he was thinking in terms of PR, then staging
a photoshoot at a gun store was not the brightest move. I
suspect, though, that he can't move three feet in public without
some self-righteous a-hole tracking his every move and taking his
picture. It won't last long, though. They'll get him in civil
court soon where the threshold for evidence is not so high.<br>
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While we're on the subject, does anyone out there in viz-land
condone the bounty put on him by the New Black Panther Party?
Does anyone condemn it? How about the multiple death threats he
and his family have been getting? I normally wouldn't ask this,
but the reactions here to this case have so disappointed me that I
just have to.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 08/24/2013 10:16 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I think it's STUPID of Zimmerman to be cheesing it
up for photos while touring a gun factory. I was seeing shades
that idiot president of CA fish and game who bagged a mountain
lion in Idaho and went on the cover of some magazine beaming
while holding the dead carcass.<br>
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FWIW - I disagree that Zimmerman was hunting Martin, but
nonetheless he did fatally shoot him and this type of behavior
is quite the opposite of being remorseful. But hey, if he wants
to stay around Florida and make himself visible while there's a
bounty on his head, that's certainly his choice and likely
another bad choice in a growing list.<br>
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory<br>
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:30:05 -0700<br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv0610680444ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
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<div>I said it was closer to hunting than self defense. It
was. And Martin was a kid; Zimmerman was not. And Martin is
dead. Maybe that is why no one is blaming him. </div>
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<div>Did Martin make a mistake? Apparently -- but really we
don't know that any more than we know why Zimmerman did what
he did. But Martin paid a hefty price for his mistake.
Zimmerman did not. That's why folks are upset.</div>
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On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
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That's the narrative I'm talking about. It completely
ignores Trayvon Martin's own actions that helped lead to
his death and it exaggerates George Zimmerman's
actions. Following someone down a sidewalk is not the
same as "hunting" a person. We have exactly zero
evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin in order to kill
him. <br>
<br>
But have fun with the narrative. If you happen across
Zimmerman, get in a few licks for the rest of us.<br>
<br>
Paul <br>
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On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
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<div>Goes against the narrative? The guy stalked a kid,
against the advice of a 911 operator, and ended up
killing him. </div>
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<div>Honestly, I just don't get it. Stalking and
shooting is a lot closer to hunting than self-defense.
Why is that so difficult for you to see?</div>
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On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
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Well, he and his family do get death threats
regularly: <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv0610680444ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/">http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/</a><br>
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And there is a $10,000 bounty put on Zimmerman for
his capture by the New Black Panther Party: <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv0610680444ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/">http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/</a><br>
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So maybe he is in need of a good home-defense
weapon.<br>
<br>
Of course, progressives are not allowed to feel
bad about that because it goes against the
narrative. Pity, one could almost feel bad for a
guy who is reviled on the national stage for
protecting himself from getting his ass beat,
whether or not it was his own stupidity that got
him there. <br>
<br>
Oh, well. It's much easier to think of him as a
monster. <br>
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Paul<br>
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