<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>In a more perfect world than yours either TM would be alive or GZ would be in jail. Reckless is the most diplomatic way to describe his actions. </div><div><br>On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Bullshit. He was buying a home defense weapon. If there were
death threats against me and mine, I would do the same. Besides,
he was found not guilty. In a perfect world, he could whatever
the fuck he wanted.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 08/25/2013 02:53 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Based on photographic evidence, audio evidence, the
measurable timeline, GZ's medical report, TM's autopsy report
combined with corroborating witness testimony, it's difficult to
draw any conclusion other than TM being on top of GZ and hitting
him for at least 45 seconds prior to the fatal and only shot.
GZ shouldn't have followed TM and should have stayed in his
truck. TM shouldn't have attacked him. But TM did what he did
and GZ did what he did, so here we are.<br>
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This whole thing has already spun as a 'perfect storm'. And if
GZ is going to do things like tour a Kel Tec factory, pose for
photo ops, and let it be known he's interested in acquiring more
fire power, he's putting himself, his family, and anyone around
him in danger. His actions are tantamount to 'bring it on'
taunting. Don't be surprised if someone takes the bait
resulting in more tragedy. Don't be surprised if GZ blasts
someone innocent that he mistakenly believes was coming after
him. Don't be surprised when there is another dead body and GZ
claims 'self defense'.<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:11:03 -0700<br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory<br>
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<div dir="ltr">He wasn't 'going out to call the police on
criminal activity.' He could have called them from his home
and stayed there. Why do you even saying that? <br>
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He was out and about because he wanted to play the cop, and
he had a gun. He could have stayed home with his gun, like
he was told to do. <br>
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You keep assuming his defense theory is true. It was
effective, it led to the verdict, but that doesn't make it
true.<br>
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Sunil<br>
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun
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new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">Do
you think that neighborhood watch programs are a bad
thing? If you can posit for a moment that guns can come
in handy for self-defense, then going out to call the
police on criminal activity might be a time when you
have a better chance of needing to protect yourself than
when you are, say, just going to get groceries.<br>
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york,times,serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>If
you think it wasn't self-defense, then why was
Zimmerman doing his best to lead the cops to the
encounter? Why were there no injuries on Martin
consistent with an initial attack by Zimmerman? Do
you think he shot him first? Then why did witnesses
see them on the ground fighting? To me, it just
doesn't add up.</span></div>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Joe Campbell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Paul Rumelhart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Scott Dredge <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com"><scooterd408@hotmail.com></a>;
viz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> <br>
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Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:26 AM<br>
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<div>"... he thought he was going to die and
defended himself." First, the only
evidence you have for this is that
Zimmerman said it was so. There were no
witnesses to corroborate this. We don't
know what happened. My interpretation of
the results of the trial is that there was
no reason to disbelieve Zimmerman, so no
reason to find him guilty. That does not
mean that we should believe him. There is
no reason to believe him either. The fact
is we don't know what happened in those
moments prior to the shooting.<br>
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Second, Zimmerman was out looking for
"criminals" like some want-a-be cop,
stalked a suspected criminal who turned
out to be a boy, called to report it and
was advised to stop but didn't do so, got
out of his car to follow the "suspect,"
then (supposedly) shot the boy because he
feared for his life. <br>
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I'm sorry but if you are not a cop and you
leave your house with a gun pretending to
"protect" your neighborhood, my sympathy
level will drop dramatically should
something go wrong. <br>
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Zimmerman's actions do not sound like
self-defense to me. I am not warped by the
mainstream media. In fact, I think this is
just another example of how fear and guns
together are more likely to lead to a bad
outcome than a good one. Incidents like this
are precisely why we need gun control. Some
people are just not smart enough to know how
to use guns with the required safety and
care. The Zimmerman case proves that. <br>
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And saying that folks are dupes just because
they happen to share some of the views of the
mainstream media is no different from saying
that you are a racist just because you happen
to share some of the views of racists.<br>
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<div class="ecxyiv2265935814gmail_quote">On
Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Rumelhart
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I'm not supporting Zimmerman. I'm
just dismayed by the attitudes people
have towards him based on nothing but
wishful thinking, as far as I can
see. These attitudes are shared
across the country, and is making life
for this man dangerous. All because
he thought he was going to die and
defended himself. His bad luck that he
did so at a time when guns are the new
boogieman, and that his attacker
didn't have the common sense to be a
white male.<br>
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It's really how quickly and absolutely
this narrative I keep talking about
solidified that scares the ever-living
crap out of me. It means the main
stream media is still king, and that
your average American still just soaks
it right up apparently uncritically.<br>
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Oh, and I don't plan to shut up, thank
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On 08/25/2013 08:39 AM, Joe
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<div dir="ltr">Of course I don't
condone the bounty, or death
threats. It is still a mystery
to me why you keep condoning
Zimmerman. If you want folks to
stop talking about him, why
don't you start us off? Really,
I only post on that guy when you
or others try to defend him, or
act shocked about the public
outrage. Otherwise, I don't
really think about him much.<br>
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