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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I don't disagree that 'these attitudes...is making life for this man dangerous.'  The way this is playing out, he himself is also making life dangerous for anyone around him.  Self defense was plausible in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.  It may not be as an effective of a defense when he blasts his next victim(s).  It'll depend on whether they were really after him or if they were completely innocent and he just 'thought
      he was going to die and defended himself.'<br><br>And since you asked, here are my responses:<br><How about the
                multiple death threats he and his family have been
                getting?><br>Condemn<br><br><Does anyone out there in
                viz-land condone the bounty put on him by the New Black
                Panther Party?  Does anyone condemn it?><br>Condemn<br><br>Given where we're at with this mess, wouldn't you agree that if George Zimmerman were to keep a much lower profile, that would be in the BEST interest of EVERYONE'S safety?<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:08:02 -0700<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>CC: scooterd408@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory<br><br>
  
    
  
  
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      I'm not supporting Zimmerman.  I'm just dismayed by the attitudes
      people have towards him based on nothing but wishful thinking, as
      far as I can see.  These attitudes are shared across the country,
      and is making life for this man dangerous.  All because he thought
      he was going to die and defended himself. His bad luck that he did
      so at a time when guns are the new boogieman, and that his
      attacker didn't have the common sense to be a white male.<br>
      <br>
      It's really how quickly and absolutely this narrative I keep
      talking about solidified that scares the ever-living crap out of
      me.  It means the main stream media is still king, and that your
      average American still just soaks it right up apparently
      uncritically.<br>
      <br>
      Oh, and I don't plan to shut up, thank you anyway.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      On 08/25/2013 08:39 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Of course I don't condone the bounty, or death
        threats. It is still a mystery to me why you keep condoning
        Zimmerman. If you want folks to stop talking about him, why
        don't you start us off? Really, I only post on that guy when you
        or others try to defend him, or act shocked about the public
        outrage. Otherwise, I don't really think about him much.<br>
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        <div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Paul
          Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                You're right.  He should look properly chastened at all
                times so as not to offend people like yourself.  I bet
                he was laughing at a joke!  The bastard.<br>
                <br>
                I will admit that if he was thinking in terms of PR,
                then staging a photoshoot at a gun store was not the
                brightest move.  I suspect, though, that he can't move
                three feet in public without some self-righteous a-hole
                tracking his every move and taking his picture.  It
                won't last long, though.  They'll get him in civil court
                soon where the threshold for evidence is not so high.<br>
                <br>
                While we're on the subject, does anyone out there in
                viz-land condone the bounty put on him by the New Black
                Panther Party?  Does anyone condemn it?  How about the
                multiple death threats he and his family have been
                getting?  I normally wouldn't ask this, but the
                reactions here to this case have so disappointed me that
                I just have to.<span class="ecxHOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                    <br>
                    Paul</font></span>
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                  <br>
                  On 08/24/2013 10:16 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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                  <div class="ecxim">I think it's STUPID of Zimmerman to be
                    cheesing it up for photos while touring a gun
                    factory.  I was seeing shades that idiot president
                    of CA fish and game who bagged a mountain lion in
                    Idaho and went on the cover of some magazine beaming
                    while holding the dead carcass.<br>
                    <br>
                    FWIW - I disagree that Zimmerman was hunting Martin,
                    but nonetheless he did fatally shoot him and this
                    type of behavior is quite the opposite of being
                    remorseful.  But hey, if he wants to stay around
                    Florida and make himself visible while there's a
                    bounty on his head, that's certainly his choice and
                    likely another bad choice in a growing list.<br>
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                      <hr>CC: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                      From: <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours
                      gun factory<br>
                      Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:30:05 -0700<br>
                      To: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
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                        <div>I said it was closer to hunting than self
                          defense. It was. And Martin was a kid;
                          Zimmerman was not. And Martin is dead. Maybe
                          that is why no one is blaming him. </div>
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                        <div>Did Martin make a mistake? Apparently --
                          but really we don't know that any more than we
                          know why Zimmerman did what he did. But Martin
                          paid a hefty price for his mistake. Zimmerman
                          did not. That's why folks are upset.</div>
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                          On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart
                          <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              That's the narrative I'm talking about. 
                              It completely ignores Trayvon Martin's own
                              actions that helped lead to his death and
                              it exaggerates George Zimmerman's
                              actions.  Following someone down a
                              sidewalk is not the same as "hunting" a
                              person.  We have exactly zero evidence
                              that Zimmerman followed Martin in order to
                              kill him.  <br>
                              <br>
                              But have fun with the narrative.  If you
                              happen across Zimmerman, get in a few
                              licks for the rest of us.<br>
                              <br>
                              Paul <br>
                              <br>
                              On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell
                              wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Goes against the narrative? The guy
                                stalked a kid, against the advice of a
                                911 operator, and ended up killing him. </div>
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                              <div>Honestly, I just don't get it.
                                Stalking and shooting is a lot closer to
                                hunting than self-defense. Why is that
                                so difficult for you to see?</div>
                              <div><br>
                                On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul
                                Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>


                                wrote:<br>
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                                    Well, he and his family do get death
                                    threats regularly: <a href="http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/" target="_blank">http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    And there is a $10,000 bounty put on
                                    Zimmerman for his capture by the New
                                    Black Panther Party: <a href="http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/" target="_blank">http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    So maybe he is in need of a good
                                    home-defense weapon.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Of course, progressives are not
                                    allowed to feel bad about that
                                    because it goes against the
                                    narrative.  Pity, one could almost
                                    feel bad for a guy who is reviled on
                                    the national stage for protecting
                                    himself from getting his ass beat,
                                    whether or not it was his own
                                    stupidity that got him there.  <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Oh, well.  It's much easier to think
                                    of him as a monster.  <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Paul<br>
                                    <br>
                                    On 08/24/2013 03:29 PM, Scott Dredge
                                    wrote:<br>
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