<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">In what way does Libertarianism "strip the people of the right to determine their own form of government and the society they wish to live in"? You still vote the same way, the rules of Congress are the same, etc. Libertarians are for reducing the size of government back to what is specified in the Constitution, leaving the rest to the states or the individual. Is that what you are referring to?<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com>; Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 23, 2013 9:44 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0738253329"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div> </div><span><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">My objection to Libertarianism is that it strips the people of
the right to determine their own form of government and the society they wish to
live in. <span style=""> </span>It removes using the government
as a means to solve a problem when it may at times be the best or least costly solution.
</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font> </div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Donovan J. Arnold</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div></span><div></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="yiv0738253329hr" style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:07 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0738253329y_msg_container"><br><div
id="yiv0738253329"><div><div>My opposition to libertarianism stems from my adherence to social contract theory. We agree to uphold the laws of a particular society in exchange for security. And vice versa: no security, no adherence to the law. </div><div><br></div><div>Social programs are justified from a purely pragmatic point of view. Thus, libertarianism is false.</div><div><br>On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">I agree with this. Let's keep the brand name clean, so it doesn't get taken over like the original Tea Party did.<br><br>I do see a lot of pushback to
Libertarianism by both Democrats and Republicans, which makes me think they're on the right track.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="yiv0738253329hr" style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:19
PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0738253329y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0738253329"><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/08/30/773243/-Top-10-Signs-You-Might-Not-Be-A-Libertarian?detail=facebook#">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/08/30/773243/-Top-10-Signs-You-Might-Not-Be-A-Libertarian?detail=facebook#</a><br>
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