<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Social Security is NOT welfare.</div><div><br></div><div>Not everyone is entitled to receive social security. Only those who have "paid into the system" are eligible.</div><div><br></div><div>You can have the Social Security Office estimate your individual entitlements at:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><a href="http://www.socialsecurity.gov/estimator/">http://www.socialsecurity.gov/estimator/</a></span><br><br><div>However, if (after browsing the Social Security site) you are still convinced that Social Secrity is nothing more than welfare, and you remain adamantly against welfare, you can always refuse to accept Social Security . . . unless you are not entitled because you never "paid into the system", possibly because you never had a job.</div><div><br></div><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Aug 23, 2013, at 3:45 AM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Social Security isn't welfare. People pay into it and get it back later on. </span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:20 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9090987179"><div dir="ltr">Social Security is welfare. Although most of us have paid into it, it is was a tax and not a contribution to a personal account. The rules can and have been changed to decide who is eligible and for how much. <br>
</div><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div>Mr. Crabtree -</div><div><br></div><div><span>Define "</span><span>people capable of working". </span></div>
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<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size: medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv9090987179h5"><div><br>On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>"So if someone id 90 years old and could be a WalMart greeter, they should not get social security?"<br></div><div>Why do you attempt to blur social security and welfare?</div>
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<br><br><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
<div dir="ltr"><div>So if someone id 90 years old and could be a WalMart greeter, they should not get social security?<br><br></div>How do you determine who is capable of working given whatever employment opportunities exist and what constraints a person maybe under (where they live, transportation available, health, etc)?<br>
</div><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">
I think it was the wording. I think he read "restrict welfare payments to" as "limit welfare payments to", thinking you meant that only those who could work would get the payments. What I presume you meant was more akin to "reduce welfare payments to", meaning that if you are capable of working you should get less of a pay out. <br>
<br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr">
<div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>
<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage<br> </font> </div><div><div>
<div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Do you truly think that is what I was trying to convey?</div><div> </div><div>.</div></div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">So children, the elderly, and the disabled would not be eligible?<br>
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<br><div>On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Or better yet, restrict welfare payments to people capable of working.</div>
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</div><div>g</div></font></span></div><div><div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">Easy solution: Raise the minimum wage.<br>
<br>w.<br></div><div><br><br><div>
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Here's an article right up the alley of Fox News. Time once again to beat up on welfare moms and cast no blame upon deadbeat dads.<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/21/study-in-most-states-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-job/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/21/study-in-most-states-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-job/</a><br>
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