<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Social Security isn't welfare. People pay into it and get it back later on. </span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Art Deco <art.deco.studios@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:20 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9090987179"><div dir="ltr">Social Security is welfare. Although most of us have paid into it, it is was a tax and not a contribution to a personal account. The rules can and have been changed to decide who is eligible and for how much. <br>
</div><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div>Mr. Crabtree -</div><div><br></div><div><span>Define "</span><span>people capable of working". </span></div>
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<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size: medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv9090987179h5"><div><br>On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>"So if someone id 90 years old and could be a WalMart greeter, they should not get social security?"<br></div><div>Why do you attempt to blur social security and welfare?</div>
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<br><br><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
<div dir="ltr"><div>So if someone id 90 years old and could be a WalMart greeter, they should not get social security?<br><br></div>How do you determine who is capable of working given whatever employment opportunities exist and what constraints a person maybe under (where they live, transportation available, health, etc)?<br>
</div><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv9090987179gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I think it was the wording. I think he read "restrict welfare payments to" as "limit welfare payments to", thinking you meant that only those who could work would get the payments. What I presume you meant was more akin to "reduce welfare payments to", meaning that if you are capable of working you should get less of a pay out. <br>
<br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr">
<div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>
<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage<br> </font> </div><div><div>
<div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Do you truly think that is what I was trying to convey?</div><div> </div><div>.</div></div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">So children, the elderly, and the disabled would not be eligible?<br>
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<br><div>On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Or better yet, restrict welfare payments to people capable of working.</div>
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</div><div>g</div></font></span></div><div><div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">Easy solution: Raise the minimum wage.<br>
<br>w.<br></div><div><br><br><div>
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Here's an article right up the alley of Fox News. Time once again to beat up on welfare moms and cast no blame upon deadbeat dads.<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/21/study-in-most-states-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-job/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/21/study-in-most-states-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-job/</a><br>
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