<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">I recommend tying us all to our beds 24 hours a day and letting our basic needs be handled by state-run robots. That should solve the problem. <br><br>We should at least look at other alternatives before trying to neuter the Constitution one more time.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>;
Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale@hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr@gmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:22 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7149770006"><div dir="ltr">You are not a policy wonk, Paul. You are a scientist of sorts. Who cares WHY these nut jobs do what they do. The point is to try to prevent it. You can do that by figuring out "why" perhaps in some billions years. But there might be other ways to prevent disaster without all that research and knowledge.<br>
</div><div class="yiv7149770006gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv7149770006gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv7149770006gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Do you think it was the assault rifle that drove this man to do what he did, and without it he wouldn't have done anything at all?<br>
<br>That's a serious question.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"><div class="yiv7149770006im"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>; Jeanne McHale <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>>; Fritz Knorr <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a>>
<br> </div><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:10 PM<div><div class="yiv7149770006h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .<br>
</div></div></font> </div><div><div class="yiv7149770006h5"> <div><br><div><div><div>Or we could avoid giving them assault rifles, thus preventing "<span style="font-size:12pt;">people like this from doing what they are doing".</span></div>
<div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style="font-size:16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style="font-size:16px;">'Nuff said.<br></span></font><br>
<div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho </div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;">We could also try to figure out why people like this are doing what they are doing and come up with a solution ASAP.<br>
<br>Besides, why single out assault rifles? According to this article (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/murders-shootings-and-gun-sales-per-day_n_2488664.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/murders-shootings-and-gun-sales-per-day_n_2488664.html</a>), if today was an average day then there were 30 gun-related murders, 162 people wounded by firearms, and 53 suicides involving a firearm. Most of them involving handguns. Why do those numbers not instill the same passion that assault rifles do?<br>
<br>Paul<br><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>; Jeanne McHale <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>>; Fritz Knorr <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:53 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div>
<div><div>It's quite simple (and humane), Mr. Rumelhart.</div><div><br></div><div>We can either . . .</div><div><br></div><div>- Terminate the sale of assault rifles, or</div><div><br></div><div>- Continue selling assault rifles and hope nobody gets hurt or killed . . . next time.<br>
<br><div>Now, Mr. Rumelhart, which
of these two options is more proactive and humane than the other?</div><div><br></div><div>Sidebar: I understand that a group has reserved the County Fairgrounds this weekend so they can show-off and let others play with their . . . guns.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Where did that come from, Mr. Hansen?<br><br>Paul<br><div><span></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
<div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>; Jeanne McHale <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>>; Fritz Knorr <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:14 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div>
<div><div>Why be proactive and control the sale of assault rifles, when all we really need to do is to bury the bodies of the innocents, right Mr. Rumelhart?<br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div>
<br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants
on)</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be
like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;">Sounds like a disturbed individual. I'm glad no one was hurt.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div>
<div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Jeanne McHale <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>>; Fritz Knorr <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] How many more times . .
.<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div><div><span>“'I don’t know how this could happen at this school,' Zamora said. 'There’s so much security.'"</span></div><div><br></div><div>Courtesy of Time at:</div>
<div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://nation.time.com/2013/08/20/official-suspect-in-custody-at-georgia-school/print/">http://nation.time.com/2013/08/20/official-suspect-in-custody-at-georgia-school/print/</a></span></div>
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20-Year-Old Charged in Ga. School Shooting</h1></div><div><span style="text-align:left;"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-align:left;">(DECATUR, Ga.) — A man with an assault rifle and other weapons exchanged gunfire with officers Tuesday at an Atlanta-area elementary school before surrendering, a police chief said, with dramatic overhead television footage capturing the young students racing out of the building, being escorted by teachers and police to safety. No one was injured.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><span style="text-align:left;"><div>Just a week into the new school year, more than 800 students in pre-kindergarten to fifth grade were evacuated from Ronald E. McNair Discovery
Learning Academy in
Decatur, a few miles east of Atlanta. They sat outside along a fence in a field for a time until school buses came to take them to their waiting parents and other relatives at a nearby Wal-Mart.</div><div><span><br></span></div>
<div><span>When the first bus arrived about three hours after the shooting, cheers erupted in the store parking lot from relieved relatives, several of them sobbing.</span></div><div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>The suspect, identified later as 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill, fired at least a half-dozen shots from the rifle from inside McNair at officers who were swarming the campus outside, the chief said. Officers returned fire when the man was alone and they had a clear shot, DeKalb County Police Chief Cedric L. Alexander said at a news conference. Hill surrendered shortly after and several weapons were found, though it wasn’t clear how many, Alexander said.
Police had no motive.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Though the school has a system where visitors must be buzzed in by staff, the gunman may have slipped inside behind someone authorized to be there, Alexander said. The suspect, who had no clear ties to the school, never got past the front office, where he held one or two employees captive for a time, the chief said. Hill is charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, terroristic threats and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>A woman in the office called WSB-TV to say the gunman asked her to contact the Atlanta station and police. WSB said during the call, shots were heard in the background. Assignment editor Lacey Lecroy said she spoke with the woman who said she was alone with the man and his gun was visible.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“It didn’t take long to know that
this woman was serious,” Lecroy said. “Shots were one of the last things I heard. I was so worried for her.”</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>School clerk Antoinette Tuff in an interview on ABC’s “World News with Diane Sawyer” said she worked to convince the gunman to put down his weapons and ammunition.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“He told me he was sorry for what he was doing. He was willing to die,” Tuff told ABC.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>She told him her life story, about how her marriage fell apart after 33 years and the “roller coaster” of opening her own business.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“I told him, ‘OK, we all have situations in our lives,” she said. “It was going to be OK. If I could recover, he could, too.”</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Then Tuff said she asked the suspect to
put his weapons down, empty his pockets and backpack on the floor.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“I told the police he was giving himself up. I just talked him through it,” she said.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;">
<span>DeKalb County Schools Superintendent Michael Thurmond praised faculty and authorities who got the young students to safety, staying calm and following plans in place. All teachers and students made it out of the school unharmed.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“It’s a blessed day, all of our children are safe,” Thurmond said at the news conference. “This was a highly professional response on the ground by DeKalb County employees assisted by law enforcement.”</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>School volunteer Debra Hayes said she encountered the suspect without knowing it.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>She
stopped by the office at the end of her shift and saw a man talking to a secretary but she did not see a gun.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“I heard him say, ‘I’m not here to harm any staff or any parents or students. He said he wanted to speak to a police officer.”</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“By the time I got to 2nd Avenue, I heard gunshots,” she said.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Complicating the rescue, bomb-sniffing dogs alerted officers to something in the suspect’s trunk and investigators believe the man may have been carrying explosives, Alexander said. Officials cut a hole in a fence to make sure students running from the building could get even farther away to a nearby street, he said. SWAT teams then went from classroom to classroom to make sure people were out.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Police had strung yellow tape
up blocking intersections near the school while children waited to be taken to Wal-Mart where hundreds of people were anticipating their arrival. The crowd waved from behind yellow police tape as buses packed with children started pulling up along the road at the store. The smiling children waved back.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Regional superintendent Rachel Zeigler used a megaphone to say children were organized on the buses by grade level and that each bus would also be carrying an administrator, a teacher and a Georgia Bureau of Investigation officer. Relatives had to show ID, sign each child out and have their photo taken.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>The school has about 870 children enrolled. The academy is named after McNair, an astronaut who died when the space shuttle Challenger exploded on Jan. 28, 1986, according to the school’s website.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Jonessia White, the mother of a kindergartner, said the school’s doors are normally locked.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“I took (my son) to school this morning and had to be buzzed in,” she said. “So I’m wondering how the guy got in the door.”</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Jackie Zamora, 61, of Decatur, was at the Wal-Mart waiting and said her 6-year-old grandson was inside the school when the shooting was reported and she panicked for more than an hour because she hadn’t heard whether or not anyone had been injured.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>Since shootings in classrooms all over the country, the massacre at Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary being the freshest in people’s minds, schools have implemented security from metal detectors to armed guards. McNair had its own safety precautions.</span></div>
<div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>White said the school has a set of double doors where visitors must be buzzed in and show identification to a camera to be allowed in.</span></div><div style="margin:1em 0px;"><span>“I don’t know how this could happen at this school,” Zamora said. “There’s so much security.”</span></div>
</div></span></div><div>--------------------------------------<br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div>
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<span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you
kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br>
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