<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Civil liberties?</div><div><br></div><div>Ya mean something like a woman's right to choose and/or a couple's (regardless of gender) right to marry?</div><div><br></div><div>And speaking of "nice speeches", did you like Ann Romney's coming-out announcement?</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/soundbites/Ann_Romney.mp3">http://www.tomandrodna.com/soundbites/Ann_Romney.mp3</a></span><br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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When the next election comes around, I plan to look over the
candidates carefully. I certainly don't plan on blindly jumping
on anyone's bandwagon. Civil liberties will be high on my list of
issues to watch for, as will reigning in past abuses. Let's see
who sings that tune come election time. That's who I will be
focusing on.<br>
<br>
This time, though, I plan to look for past actions as well as just
nice speeches.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/17/2013 11:47 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
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<div>Rand Paul is no different than the other candidates as far as
I can tell. I don't see any reason to think he'd have done
better than Obama. Are you going to support a counter argument
with his statements? That's why we elected Obama in the first
place.</div>
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On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
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I don't get this idea that if the Democrat isn't that great,
you can only look at the Republican candidate (and vice
versa) and then try to choose the one that will screw us
over less.<br>
<br>
There are other candidates out there. I'd rather vote FOR
someone than AGAINST someone else. I made this mistake two
elections ago. I voted for Obama because he billed himself
as nega-Bush, the antithesis of George W. Bush. When it
turned out he was just Bush 2.0, I started looking for
someone I could vote for that I could live with if they were
elected. I chose Gary Johnson the second time around.
There are a surprising number of third party candidates out
there to choose from. They have to use the system designed
by the Republicrats, which is a major hurdle for them, but
things can change if we just recognize that blind party
affiliation is wrecking this country.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/17/2013 09:13 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div>So, you are suggesting . . .</div>
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<div>Instead of voting for Biden or Clinton, someone that
may go through our sock drawers, we should vote for Rand
Paul (or whoever becomes the GOP presidential candidate),
someone that will ensure that we cannot afford socks.<br>
<br>
<div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
<div><br>
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<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your
pants on)</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
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<div>"<span style="font-size: medium;
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0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,
192, 227, 0.230469);
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are
telling you still</span><span style="font-size:
medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26,
26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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0.230469); "> </span></div>
<span style="font-size: medium;
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0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,
192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:
rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must
learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color:
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875);
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<span style="font-size: medium;
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0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,
192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:
rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like
the folks on the hill."</span></div>
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On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My suggestion, for people who call
themselves 'Progressives' or 'Liberals' or who oppose
what both Bush and Obama, indeed both parties are
doing, is to stop voting for politicians who support
these measures. For the next election, certainly this
includes both Biden and H. Clinton. Stop buying into
the rationalization that we have to vote for them for
the sake of Supreme Court nominees, or whatever else
is thrown at us. Vote for one of the small parties.
Maybe when the Ds see that they can't count on our
support while they support and carry out these
policies, they will start to change. Right now there
is no pressure to change, only to continue what Bush
(and with Rendition, Clinton) started or continued.<br>
<br>
Or come to terms with your support of empire, Wall
Street bailouts, illegal spying, the murder of
citizens and non-citizens with drones, secret bombings
etc. Votes for Obama, Biden, H. Clinton certainly
means support for all those policies. <br>
<br>
Please demonstrate for me, if you can, that I'm wrong.
I don't think you can, since it's quite clear the
politicians I named above (along with most
Republicans, though some would not support the Wall
Street bailouts) all support those policies.<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">moscowcares@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GPS Tracking and Secret
Policies<br>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:38:04 -0700<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>
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<div>And your suggestion is . . . ?<br>
<br>
<div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have
with your pants on)</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's
room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium;">But first you
must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;">
<span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to
be like the folks on the hill."</span></div>
<div><font size="3"><span style=""><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br>
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On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Only if we are partisan and blind
to the consequences of his actions. <br>
<br>
He has normalized torture, rendition, illegal
killing of citizens...<br>
<br>
We can't do better than this?<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GPS Tracking and
Secret Policies<br>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:33:41 -0700<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>
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<div>As much as I partially agree with you,
Sunil . . .</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>He is still the best game in town.</div>
<div><br>
<div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because .
. .</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can
have with your pants on)</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
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<div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's
room at the top they are telling you
still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium;">But
first you must learn how to smile as
you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;">
<span style="font-size:medium;">If you
want to be like the folks on the
hill."</span></div>
<div><font size="3"><span style=""><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font size="3"><span style="">- John
Lennon<br>
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On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Sunil
Ramalingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Obama promised the most
transparent administration ever, but
has instead gone after leaks and
whistleblowers with more prosecutions
than any - or is it all put together -
previous administrations. He's against
leaks except when it suits him
politically; then leaks are okay.<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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17 Aug 2013 07:50:57 -0400<br>
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To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: [Vision2020] GPS Tracking
and Secret Policies<br>
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<div> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nytimes.com/" target="_blank"><img moz-do-not-send="true" src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/nytlogo153x23.gif" alt="The New York Times" align="left" border="0" hspace="0" vspace="0"></a>
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<h1>GPS Tracking and Secret
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<div id="ecxarticleBody"> This
week brought fresh revelations
about the National Security
Agency’s sloppy and invasive
collection of phone data on
Americans and others, as
reported first by The Washington
Post. In another realm of
surveillance — the government’s
broad use of location tracking
devices — the Justice Department
was in federal court on Thursday
defending its refusal to release
memos containing information
about its policies governing the
use of GPS and other potentially
invasive technologies. <br>
The American Civil Liberties
Union had brought the lawsuit to
demand that the department make
the memos public. The documents
were prepared after a 2012
Supreme Court ruling, United
States v. Jones, which held that
placement of a hidden tracking
device on a suspect’s car
constitutes a “search” under the
Fourth Amendment. <br>
That case left lots of questions
unanswered, including whether
GPS tracking always requires a
warrant based on probable cause,
and how the Fourth Amendment
applies to tracking someone 24/7
with cellphone location
technology. After the decision
was released, the F.B.I.’s
general counsel, Andrew
Weissmann, mentioned in a public
talk that the government was
issuing memos containing
official guidance for federal
agents and prosecutors on when
they can use tracking technology
and how the Jones decision
applies to other types of
techniques, beyond GPS. <br>
The public has a right to know
the government’s policies on
these matters. There is very
good reason to be concerned
about the government’s
interpretation of its police
powers, especially given the
Obama administration’s
insensitivity to privacy in its
mass collection of phone data in
the national security sphere. <br>
When the A.C.L.U. filed a
request for the memos under the
Freedom of Information Act, the
Justice Department responded by
handing over copies with the
text nearly entirely blanked
out, prompting the lawsuit. The
Justice Department claims that
the memos were prepared
anticipating litigation and are
exempt from disclosure because
they are a lawyer’s work
product. But to the extent Mr.
Weissmann accurately represented
the memos, they also amount to
statements of official policy,
not merely exchanges by lawyers
on legal theories, which the
work-product exception is meant
to protect. <br>
Our strong hunch is that there
is material in the memos that
can and should be revealed
without harm to law enforcement
or the appropriate discussion of
confidential legal strategies.
At Thursday’s hearing, Judge
William Pauley III said he would
personally review the documents
before deciding whether they
should be released. <br>
It is distressing that the
administration, which claims to
welcome a debate over the
government’s surveillance
practices, time and again
refuses to be transparent about
those practices. Instead of
awaiting a court order, the
administration should release
the tracking memos on its own. <br>
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