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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>The amount is not irrelevant. IF you're going to criminalize selling MJ, you should not treat all people who sell in the same way. The person selling large quantities should face a higher penalty than someone selling a minor amount.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br>To: thansen@moscow.com<br>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:02:05 -0600<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [corrected] It's Time for an Honest Conversation About Marijuana . . .<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Tom wrote:<br><span style=""><A 30-dollar sale in 2010 DOES NOT equate to "a </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">big bulk package".><br><br>I agree. The $30 (or in this case $31) is irrelevant except to you because you keep harping on it as if it has any merit to the law(s) being broken or to the associated sentencing terms. </span><span style="">"a </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">big bulk package"</span> would be indicative of it's physical dimensions and mass and no one seems to be able to get that information since their is so little information available about this case. Distilling it down to basics, she was dealing drugs, she was caught, she was charged, she plead guilty, she was sentenced accordingly, and she was released 2 years after service her 12 year sentence. Simple as that. Disproportionate? Probably.<br><br><<span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Another aspect to consider as to why so many defendants convicted of minor crimes is . . . privatized prison systems.><br>Untrue. Privatized prison system are not the cause of why many defendants are convicted of minor crimes. That's a ridiculous notion.<br><br><br></span><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">CC: moscowcares@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>From: thansen@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [corrected] It's Time for an Honest Conversation About Marijuana . . .<br>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:26:28 -0700<br>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br><br><div style="">Mr. Dredge . . . </div><div style=""><br></div><div><span style="">A 30-dollar sale in 2010 DOES NOT equate to "a </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">big bulk package". In fact, it barely qualifies as a user quantity (a standard many states apply when determining whether or not to charge "with intent to sell"). </span></div><div><span style=""><br></span></div><div><span style="">Now, that "</span><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">b</span><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">ig bulk package" on the other hand is comon among those charged with intent to sell.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Another aspect to consider as to why so many defendants convicted of minor crimes is . . . privatized prison systems. The more prisoners, the higher the government pay-out to the privatized prisons. There are several strong lobbies that promote these </span><span style="">privatized prison systems. I'd be interested to see if there is such a lobby here in Idaho and just how much influence they applied when Idaho adopted the </span><span style="">privatized prison system.</span></div><div><span style=""><br></span></div><div><span style="">Things that make you go, "Hmmm."</span></div><div><br><div style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div style=""><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div style=""> </div><div style=""><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div style=""><font size="3"><span style=""><br></span></font></div><div style=""><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div style=""><br></div></div><div style=""><br>On Aug 13, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote style=""><div>
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<div dir="ltr">Tom,<br><br>There are so few details that I can find about this particular case, I'm not able to give my best unbiased opinion on it. Everything I've searched for hits on the same one-sided text. Absent any other information, I had already conceded below that 12 years was 'too much' in my opinion and that even 2 years was 'probably too much'.<br><br>The arbitrary price tag she put on the bag she was selling probably was completely irrelevant to the law being applied. Usually laws specify the weighted amount of the drugs being dealt or in possession. She shouldn't have been dealing the shit. Hopefully she's the wiser for it now and stays out of trouble.<br><br>I was once foreman of 12 person jury on a case where a guy was charged with 1) an infraction of having an open container, 2) a misdemeanor of possession of a controlled substance, and 3) a felony of possession of a controlled substance with intent to sell.<br><br>The first 2 charges weren't even contested, so with the consent of the jury I just checked 'guilty' on the verdict form for both of those counts. Considering the guy had 4 ready to serve packets along with a big bulk package, we the jury eventually unanimously found him 'guilty' on the felony count as well. I have no idea what the sentencing was but when I phoned the prosecutor the next day because I was curious as to why he so aggressively went after this seemingly small time criminal who had the bad luck of blowing through a stop sign right in front a cop, he told me the judge would probably sentence him to 2 to 3 years.<br><br>In the case of Patricia Spottedcrow, she and her mom apparently submitted blind pleas (whatever those are) and was hit with whatever sentencing was applied to breaking those laws. I agree with Wayne in that if the laws are unjust, then they should be changed. A lot of times it takes just the right case such as this one to actually force a change.<br><br>-Scot<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">CC: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>From: <a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">moscowcares@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [corrected] It's Time for an Honest Conversation About Marijuana . . .<br>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:00:59 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br><br><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Mr. Dredge -</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Do you have ANY idea of the negligible amount of marijuana sold for $30 in 2010 amounts to?</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Let me give you an idea.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">In 1977 in San Francisco an ounce of Columbian sold for $50-$60. That was THIRTY-THREE YEARS prior to this 30-dollar "sale".</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">And for THAT, this lady was sentenced to twelve years in prison.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Meanwhile San Diego Mayor Filner walks away from sexually assaulting thirteen women after FIVE DAYS OF THERAPY.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">God bless America . . . . . . please.</span></div><br><div style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div style=""><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div style=""> </div><div style=""><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div style=""><font size="3"><span style=""><br></span></font></div><div style=""><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div style=""><br></div></div><div style=""><br>On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote style=""><div>
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<div dir="ltr">In this particular case, it's a a mixed bag regarding marijuana laws making sense / working. She sold a bag of marijuana which I'm guessing would be a much worse offense than merely being in possession of it. 12 years for all of her combined crimes is too much in my amateur opinion. The 2 years she served is probably too much. On the upside, while incarcerated she completed her GED and took parenting classes and participated in a few other programs that were offered. Hopefully she's come out of this experience as more functional person.<br><br>I think if the marijuana laws are not making sense and not working, it might be because marijuana is lumped into to the same category as say cocaine. I'm not sure of the laws, but if this is the case, then marijuana should be moved into some lesser category. Even so, dealing it should carry a heavier penalty than possessing it.<br><br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:35:13 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's Time for an Honest Conversation About Marijuana . . .<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Wayne,<br><br>Do you think our marijuana laws make sense or are working?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:37:58 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's Time for an Honest Conversation About Marijuana . . .<br><br>Honest? I think not!<div><br></div><div>Served 2 years in prison, not 12. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 12, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="auto"><div style=""><span></span></div><div><div style=""><span><1146440_502299883171842_938877420_n.jpg></span></div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">Cannabis Nation</div><div style=""><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap;"><a href="http://www.cannabisnationradio.com/" target="_blank">http://www.cannabisnationradio.com/</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap;"> </span><br><div style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div style=""><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div style=""> </div><div style=""><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div style=""><font size="3"><span style=""><br></span></font></div><div style=""><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div></div></div>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</blockquote></div><br></div><br>=======================================================
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