<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, that is it, and I have never seen one before. Thank you. <br><br>Sent from my iPad Sue Hovey</div><div><br>On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:08 PM, "<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>We have them here also. </span></div><div><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Collared_Dove" saprocessedanchor="true">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Collared_Dove</a></div> <div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:05 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 408<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br original_target="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020" target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:vision2020-owner@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-owner@moscow.com">vision2020-owner@moscow.com</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Superb Radio Australia Discussion Last Night "Darwin,<br> Denialism and Climate Change" (Ted Moffett)<br> 2. Birder question (Sue Hovey)<br> 3. Re: Birder question (Tom Hansen)<br> 4. Re: Birder question (Saundra Lund)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:10:05 -0700<br>From: Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: [Vision2020] Superb Radio Australia Discussion Last Night<br> "Darwin, Denialism and Climate Change"<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAJ-QB6Ws7x1hdz+<a href="mailto:1XNnrORN4WV-68guizGNp5aD6NprFJWtdQw@mail.gmail.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:1XNnrORN4WV-68guizGNp5aD6NprFJWtdQw@mail.gmail.com">1XNnrORN4WV-68guizGNp5aD6NprFJWtdQw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Radio Australia just keeps the hits coming...<br><br>Maybe I am filtering or biased in some way, probably, but Radio Australia<br>impresses me much more than US PBS radio.<br><br>The discussion can be listened to at this website:<br>Darwin, denialism and climate change Tuesday
30 July 2013 10:20PM<br><br><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/darwin-and-climage-change-denial/4852912" target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/darwin-and-climage-change-denial/4852912</a><br><br>-----------------<br>I checked on the academic bio on the Australian National University website<br>for scholar Tom Griffiths, who is interviewed for this discussion:<br><br><a href="https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/griffiths-tr" target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/griffiths-tr</a><br> Biography<br><br>Tom Griffiths is a Professor of History in the Research School of Social<br>Sciences at the Australian National University, Canberra, and Director of<br>the Centre for Environmental History at ANU. His research, writing and<br>teaching are in the fields of Australian social, cultural and environmental<br>history,
the comparative environmental history of settler societies, the<br>writing of non-fiction, and the history of Antarctica. Tom's books and<br>essays have won prizes in history, science, literature, politics and<br>journalism. His most recent monograph, Slicing the Silence: Voyaging to<br>Antarctica (UNSW Press and Harvard University Press, 2007), won the<br>Queensland and NSW Premiers' awards for Non-Fiction and was the joint<br>winner of the Prime Minister's Prize for Australian History in 2008.<br> --------------------------------------<br>Also, I searched for more published work by this scholar, and found the<br>following accessible and fascinating paper, 24 pages long A short excerpt<br>from the end of the paper is pasted in.<br><br>Australia is an amazing place, with a very long history of human<br>habitation, much longer than North America, if I have my facts straight, as<br>this paper discusses.<br><br>It's reassuring to realize that even
non-technological so called primitive<br>ancestors of modern humans survived large scale climate change. Of course,<br>for us to survive it likely will disrupt our indulgent resource and energy<br>intensive extractive way of life, at least for the majority of people. The<br>rich and powerful, maybe they can live continue to live lives of kings and<br>queens...<br><br>"Let them eat cake!"<br><br><a href="http://www.history.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/GRIFFITHS%20%E2%80%93%C2%A0A%20Humanist%20on%20Thin%20Ice.pdf" target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.history.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/GRIFFITHS%20%E2%80%93%C2%A0A%20Humanist%20on%20Thin%20Ice.pdf</a><br><br>Published in<br>Griffith Review 29<br>(August 2010)<br><br>A Humanist on Thin Ice<br><br>Science and the humanities, people and climate change<br><br>Tom Griffiths<br><br>Short excerpt from pages 21-22:<br><br>The only way to make sense of our predicament is to look deeply into
the<br>ice<br>we are losing. It is to go back to the last big ice age and beyond, to<br>times of<br>rapid and substantial temperature change. And when we are searching for<br>some vestige of human agency among all this icy determinism, we might turn<br>to an example in our own backyard. The history of the Aboriginal peoples of<br>Australia takes humans back, if not into the ice, then certainly into the<br>ice age,<br>into the depths of the last glacial maximum of twenty thousand years ago<br>and<br>beyond, into and through periods of temperature change of 5 ?Celsius and<br>more, such as those we might also face. When Europeans and North<br>Americans look for cultural beginnings they are often prompted to tell you<br>that humans and their civilizations are products of the Holocene,and that<br>we<br>are all children of this recent spring of cultural creativity. By contrast,<br>an<br>Australian history of the world takes us back to humanity?s first
deep-sea<br>voyagers of sixty thousand years ago, to the experience of people surviving<br>cold ice-age droughts in the central Australian deserts, and to the<br>sustaining<br>of human civilization in the face of massive climate change. This is a<br>story that<br>modern Australians have only just discovered, and now perhaps it offers a<br>parable for the world.<br>32<br>------------------------------------------<br>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20130730/923924a2/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20130730/923924a2/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:05:07 -0700<br>From: "Sue Hovey" <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>><br>To: "'Vision 2020'" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: [Vision2020] Birder question<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:B742DA8F7C144443947D8EF8BE728E53@UserPC" ymailto="mailto:B742DA8F7C144443947D8EF8BE728E53@UserPC">B742DA8F7C144443947D8EF8BE728E53@UserPC</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Someone tell me what this bird is:<br><br>It was the size of a flicker, but very light in color and was on our back lawn a few minutes ago. It walked like a dove. It?s most distinguishing feature was a black ring around it?s neck. I think it went all the way around. I can?t find one that fits this description in my Sibley?s. I have never before seen one like it. <br><br>Anyone know?<br><br>Sue H.
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<br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"There's room at the top they are telling you still <br>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill <br>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<br><br>- John Lennon<br> <br><br><br>On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Sue Hovey" <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Someone tell me what this bird is:<br>> <br>> It was the size of a flicker, but very light in color and was on our back lawn a few minutes ago. It walked like a dove. It?s most distinguishing feature was a black ring around it?s neck. I think it went all the way around. I can?t find one that fits this description in my Sibley?s. I have never before seen one like it.<br>> <br>> Anyone know?<br>> <br>> Sue H. <br>>
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4<br>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:05:38 -0700<br>From: Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br>To: Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>>, Vision 2020<br> <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Birder question<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:1375236338.4529.3509319.786DF7B5@webmail.messagingengine.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:1375236338.4529.3509319.786DF7B5@webmail.messagingengine.com">1375236338.4529.3509319.786DF7B5@webmail.messagingengine.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I'll ask the obvious: is it a collared
dove? The first one I'd seen<br>showed up in my yard two years ago & then he left for the winter. We<br>had none the following year, but this year, I've seen 8-10 different<br>ones.<br><br>Saundra<br><br>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013, at 06:05 PM, Sue Hovey wrote:<br>> Someone tell me what this bird is:<br>> <br>> It was the size of a flicker, but very light in color and was on our back<br>> lawn a few minutes ago. It walked like a dove. It?s most distinguishing<br>> feature was a black ring around it?s neck. I think it went all the way<br>> around. I can?t find one that fits this description in my Sibley?s. I<br>> have never before seen one like it. <br>> <br>> Anyone know?<br>> <br>> Sue H. <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse
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