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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><span><You are for a working slave class.</span>><br>How so? If I'm not mistaken, Washington Apple growers pay apple pickers by the barrel. This isn't slavery, they're being cash compensated for their output. FWIW, I'm not in favor for a working 'slave class'.<br><br><<span>I don't want that in the United States, it is <span id="ecxmisspell-0"><span>unconstitutional</span></span> and immoral.><br>It's not unconstitutional or this could be easily proven in our court system. Is it immoral? I guess the argument could be made for or against. These folks are coming across the border in search of better opportunities than are available in their homeland, aren't they? If so, then you could make the case that building a fence to lock them within their current situation that lacks opportunity is more immoral, couldn't you?<br><br><</span><span>I don't believe in working classes of people based on race, or nation of origin.</span>><br>Nor do I so I don't think should be asked on application forms other than as 'optional' information to be used for statistical data.<br><br><<span>I think the US should come up with a clear, fair, and realistic path to citizenship.><br>I believe we have this already. For the most part it goes visa to green card to citizenship through the USCIS. The system probably is not set up yet to handle those who enter the country illegally. I supposed that's what all the bellyaching from both parties and maybe the UFW is all about.<br><br><</span><span><span>"But I also don't see those engaging in 'hard labor' as pushing for '<span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-3">livible</span> wages' or the right to vote." You must have your eyes closed then.><br>This is why<i> </i>I wrote 'Why do we need immigration reform?' in the subject block. I'm interested in 'opening my eyes' to what exactly the problems are from all sides of what is now not working for businesses, permanent residents, legal guests, illegal aliens, political parties, etc., and what the effects by any change that are being proposed.<br><br>If you have any links you could forward, these would be much appreciated. However, based on what you've written so far, you don't seem to know much about the subject yourself.<br><br>-Scott<br></span><br></span><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:12:23 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why do we need immigration reform?<br>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br><br><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><span>Scott,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>You are for a working slave class. I don't want that in the United States, it is <span id="ecxmisspell-0"><span>unconstitutional</span></span> and immoral. I do not believe in taxation without representation. I don't believe in working classes of people based on race, or nation of origin. I think the US should come up with a clear, fair, and realistic path to citizenship. "But I also don't see those engaging in 'hard labor' as pushing for '<span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-3">livible</span> wages' or the right to vote." You must have your eyes closed then. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:16 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] Why do we need immigration reform?<br> </font> </div> <div class="ecxy_msg_container"><wbr><div id="ecxyiv0126081647">
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<div><div dir="ltr"><So you want a return of slavery?><wbr>No. I'm asking what are the problems presently with the status <span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-1">quo</span> and asking for a justification of why any of it needs to be 'reformed'.<wbr><wbr><Hard labor without a <span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-2">liveable</span> wage and no right to vote?><wbr>I don't want this. But I also don't see those engaging in 'hard labor' as pushing for '<span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-3">livible</span> wages' or the right to vote. If we're talking about migrant farm workers, they are represented in some fashion I think by the <span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-4">UFW</span>. Also, I believe they're getting more opportunity in the US even being 'undocumented' than would be getting in their native land. Otherwise, they would just go back home.<wbr><wbr><Taxation without any representation?><wbr>How so? Green Carders =
United States Permanent Residents. They are taxed at the same rates as full citizens. Do you think they should be not taxed in any form since they don't have voting rights? I don't think so. They have the option to pursue full citizenship to get voting rights if they so choose.<wbr><wbr><Why don't we instead make it so millionaires cannot vote, run for office, or donate to any campaigns?><wbr>Because this would be unconstitutional.<wbr><wbr>-Scott<wbr><wbr><wbr><div><div class="hr" style="padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;"></div>Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:03:21 -0700<wbr>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<wbr>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why do we need immigration reform?<wbr>To: vision2020@moscow.com; scooterd408@hotmail.com<wbr><wbr><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><div dir="ltr">So you want a return of slavery? Hard labor without a <span class="mark" id="ecxmisspell-5">liveable</span> wage and no right to vote? Taxation without any representation? Why don't we instead make it so millionaires cannot vote, run for office, or donate to any campaigns? </div>
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<td valign="top"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<wbr><wbr>I haven't followed the brouhaha regarding immigration reform. What exactly are the problems that are at issue? We already have a vast array of student and work visas that could be leveraged IMO. Beyond that, it's obvious that the more immigrants that achieve full citizenship will be voting for the Democrats. Thus, a good middle ground would be a path to Green Card which provides most rights except for voting rights. Green Carders might like that even better since they'd not need to be burdened by the civic duty of sitting on a jury.<wbr><wbr>-Scott<wbr> </div></td>
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