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<DIV>Weighing in on this topic for the first time, but briefly; I think, <FONT
face="Times New Roman">"white guy stalks and guns down an innocent black
teenager" is exactly what happened. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 22, 2013 6:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=godshatter@yahoo.com
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] systemic injustice</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Disservice to Zimmerman? He killed a kid because he's a dumbshit
cop wannabe, and you're concerned about disservices to that sphincter?<BR><BR>I
didn't follow the case closely and I don't know if there was enough evidence to
convict. I won't criticize the verdict because I would gladly take it if I were
Zimmerman's lawyer.<BR><BR>But I think the cops did a poor job at the beginning
and that affected everything that followed. And anyone who pretends race doesn't
affect the criminal justice system is full of crap.<BR><BR>Sunil <BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:47:10 -0700<BR>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] systemic injustice<BR>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">I
agree he should have gone home. I just don't like the mis-characterization
of him as some guy that stalked Martin through the trees and murdered him in
cold blood only because he was black. That's a disservice to Zimmerman,
and it's only done because he had the gall to be carrying a handgun on his
person in a political environment where gun control is all the rage, and because
he wasn't charged with second degree murder immediately (through no fault of his
own). Oh, and because everyone wants to think of him as white, and
therefore "entitled".<BR><BR>So let me ask you, do you think there was
sufficient evidence to convict Zimmerman on second degree murder charges?
Did the jury, in your personal opinion, show systemic racism in their
verdict? Also, do you think "white guy stalks and guns down innocent black
teenager" is a fair summary of the events that happened that
night?<BR><BR>Paul<BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr>Paul,<BR><BR>Your defense of Zimmerman stopped being outlandish
last week; you're well beyond that now.<BR><BR>I don't think you should use
'meme' to describe what others are saying until you comprehend that Zimmerman
should have listened to the dispatcher and gone home. This happened because he
had a gun; if he didn't he would have gone home.<BR><BR>He had called 911; he
was done.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:42:56 -0700<BR>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>To:
rhayes@frontier.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] systemic
injustice<BR><BR>
<DIV>I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. I don't think the jury
verdict is an example of systemic racism. That was my original
point. They just didn't have the evidence needed to convict. From
looking at the evidence myself, I support their decision. Race doesn't
enter into it, it's just a conclusion based on the evidence.<BR><BR>I do see two
places where systemic racism might have occurred:<BR><BR>1. When the police
decided not to arrest Zimmerman at the very beginning. I'm assuming the
police didn't arrest him because they didn't think they had a case, which was
born out by the not guilty verdict. They probably should have arrested him
anyway and let the courts figure that out, though. Maybe they didn't arrest him
because he was white/hispanic. That's certainly possible. It's also
possible that it had more to do with the fact that he knew them. That
would be cronyism, though.<BR><BR>2. The other place where I see systemic racism
is in how the media and the liberal community both are treating this case.
NBC doctored the 911 call at the very beginning to make it look like racial
profiling, and everyone seems to have jumped on that bandwagon. This
didn't have to be about race. The fact that it became about race shows a
large element of systemic racism in our media and in many other areas, including
in political circles. I've seen nothing to make me think that Zimmerman
targeted Martin because he was black. Because he was suspicious,
sure. Because he was a teenager, maybe. But not because of his
race.<BR><BR>I also object, in a nice, non-confrontational way, with your
characterization of people posting here about the "rightness of the death of a
boy at the hands of a vigilante". I have never said that Trayvon Martin
should have died, nor have I expressed an opinion about whether or not I would
think that a good thing. I haven't seen anyone else do so, either.
I've just been trying to express why I think the jury's verdict made sense, and
to counter the "white guy stalks and guns down an innocent black teenager" meme
that, based on the evidence, seems to be made out of whole cloth.<BR><BR>I do
think that Martin should not have attacked Zimmerman, if that is indeed what
happened. The evidence I've seen points that way. I think it's
tragic that he died, especially since this whole confrontation could have easily
been avoided by both Martin and Zimmerman.<BR><BR>Paul<BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> "rhayes@frontier.com"
<rhayes@frontier.com><BR><B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> "vision2020@moscow.com"
<vision2020@moscow.com> <BR><B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, July 22,
2013 10:43 AM<BR><B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] systemic
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<DIV><SPAN>To those who insist on posting the rightness of the death of a boy at
the hands of a vigilante, I post a soft spoken message. And I would remind you
that your words may be hurtful...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I live in a bubble far removed from the rest of the country and my past.
When, as a young man, I moved to Moscow from just north of the Mason-Dixon line,
I was relieved to be free from all the issues of race. Yea, I'm white.
Privileged by my birth. As a kid, race and ethnicity were overwhelming to me.
Italians hated the Irish, Poles were disliked and distrusted by almost everyone.
The blacks didn't like whites in general. Whites distrusted blacks. Everyone had
names for everyone <SPAN id=ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-0
class=ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277mark>else's</SPAN> ethnicity. Whops,
spics, <SPAN id=ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-1
class=ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277mark>hunkies</SPAN>, kikes, hillbillies...
the list of derogatory names goes on and on. </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>I was despised because of being sometimes Irish, sometimes a sort of
<SPAN id=ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-2>Polack.</SPAN> I learned to
run and run fast to keep from being beaten up by what ever group that happened
to cross my path. However, I didn't see/understand systemic racism until our Boy
Scout troop tried to go swimming in the CITY pool. They stopped us because we
were an integrated troop. Being young I never stopped to think why there never
were black kids in the pool...EVER. The man that stopped us was a "greasy"
(another derogatory slur)Greek with kinky hair and a pretty dark complexion. He
stopped Jerome with his arm saying, "Not You!" Our scout master must have known
what he was up to, and to this day I hold him in high esteem as a brave and
principled man. And when that Greek guy stopped him from entering the
locker, I looked at Jerome, and maybe for the first time saw him as a black kid
with whom I had camped, sang, cooked dinners, and saw what his life entailed. It
was much more than name calling, being hated, distrusted. It was a system of
hatred. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Back to the bubble thing...</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>So I moved here and left ethnicity and race issues behind. Well, not
really. It isn't so much an issue here because the majority, the vast majority
of people are white, like me. It is inevitable that this will change. It is
already changing and changing rapidly. How will this area deal with race and
ethnicity? There are hate groups and hateful people conveniently located nearby.
We need to be vigilant with our communities, and with ourselves. It is
convenient to be blind to the hatred surrounding us. </DIV>
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<DIV>I suppose one good thing that the so called "jury" in Florida proved is
that SYSTEMIC racism still exists. I sometimes forget that. I live in a bubble.
Now I am reminded, but should a young man's life be sacrificed so that I would
again see? People who deny that injustice exists live in a state of blind
shame. <BR></DIV>
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