<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>There is absolutely no substantiating evidence that Martin repeatedly pounded Zimmerman's head onto the concrete sidewalk. Zimmerman was never examined by a physician. Other than a couple superficial (the detective's word, not mine) wounds.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as the supposed statement made by Martin, "Today you die," (repeated word-for-word a few times during the trial) . . . You HAVE GOT to be joking. By Martin's girlfriend's admission, Martin used terms like "cracker". I'm guessing that if Martin had truly made a threat to Zimmerman, that threat would have included some inciting profanity, not a Dirty Harry line from a cheap B-movie.<br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Martin punching Zimmerman in the face and pounding his head into
the pavement repeatedly and then telling he was going to die when
he noticed his gun doesn't factor into it at all? It *has* to be
about race? <br>
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Fine. I just don't get it. Enjoy your fantasy. Be sure to get
extra outraged about it for me, ok?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 07/22/2013 06:13 PM, Sue Hovey wrote:<br>
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<div>Weighing in on this topic for the first time, but
briefly; I think, <font face="Times New Roman">"white guy
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] systemic injustice</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Disservice to Zimmerman? He killed a kid
because he's a dumbshit cop wannabe, and you're concerned
about disservices to that sphincter?<br>
<br>
I didn't follow the case closely and I don't know if there
was enough evidence to convict. I won't criticize the
verdict because I would gladly take it if I were
Zimmerman's lawyer.<br>
<br>
But I think the cops did a poor job at the beginning and
that affected everything that followed. And anyone who
pretends race doesn't affect the criminal justice system
is full of crap.<br>
<br>
Sunil <br>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:47:10 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] systemic injustice<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,
new york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; BACKGROUND-COLOR:
#fff">I agree he should have gone home. I just don't
like the mis-characterization of him as some guy that
stalked Martin through the trees and murdered him in
cold blood only because he was black. That's a
disservice to Zimmerman, and it's only done because he
had the gall to be carrying a handgun on his person in a
political environment where gun control is all the rage,
and because he wasn't charged with second degree murder
immediately (through no fault of his own). Oh, and
because everyone wants to think of him as white, and
therefore "entitled".<br>
<br>
So let me ask you, do you think there was sufficient
evidence to convict Zimmerman on second degree murder
charges? Did the jury, in your personal opinion, show
systemic racism in their verdict? Also, do you think
"white guy stalks and guns down innocent black teenager"
is a fair summary of the events that happened that
night?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Paul,<br>
<br>
Your defense of Zimmerman stopped being
outlandish last week; you're well beyond
that now.<br>
<br>
I don't think you should use 'meme' to
describe what others are saying until you
comprehend that Zimmerman should have
listened to the dispatcher and gone home.
This happened because he had a gun; if he
didn't he would have gone home.<br>
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He had called 911; he was done.<br>
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Sunil<br>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:42:56 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>;
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<div>I respectfully disagree with your
conclusion. I don't think the jury
verdict is an example of systemic racism.
That was my original point. They just
didn't have the evidence needed to
convict. From looking at the evidence
myself, I support their decision. Race
doesn't enter into it, it's just a
conclusion based on the evidence.<br>
<br>
I do see two places where systemic racism
might have occurred:<br>
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1. When the police decided not to arrest
Zimmerman at the very beginning. I'm
assuming the police didn't arrest him
because they didn't think they had a case,
which was born out by the not guilty
verdict. They probably should have
arrested him anyway and let the courts
figure that out, though. Maybe they didn't
arrest him because he was white/hispanic.
That's certainly possible. It's also
possible that it had more to do with the
fact that he knew them. That would be
cronyism, though.<br>
<br>
2. The other place where I see systemic
racism is in how the media and the liberal
community both are treating this case.
NBC doctored the 911 call at the very
beginning to make it look like racial
profiling, and everyone seems to have
jumped on that bandwagon. This didn't
have to be about race. The fact that it
became about race shows a large element of
systemic racism in our media and in many
other areas, including in political
circles. I've seen nothing to make me
think that Zimmerman targeted Martin
because he was black. Because he was
suspicious, sure. Because he was a
teenager, maybe. But not because of his
race.<br>
<br>
I also object, in a nice,
non-confrontational way, with your
characterization of people posting here
about the "rightness of the death of a boy
at the hands of a vigilante". I have
never said that Trayvon Martin should have
died, nor have I expressed an opinion
about whether or not I would think that a
good thing. I haven't seen anyone else do
so, either. I've just been trying to
express why I think the jury's verdict
made sense, and to counter the "white guy
stalks and guns down an innocent black
teenager" meme that, based on the
evidence, seems to be made out of whole
cloth.<br>
<br>
I do think that Martin should not have
attacked Zimmerman, if that is indeed what
happened. The evidence I've seen points
that way. I think it's tragic that he
died, especially since this whole
confrontation could have easily been
avoided by both Martin and Zimmerman.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<b><span>To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a>
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<div><span>To those who insist
on posting the rightness
of the death of a boy at
the hands of a vigilante,
I post a soft spoken
message. And I would
remind you that your words
may be hurtful...</span></div>
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<div>I live in a bubble far
removed from the rest of the
country and my past. When,
as a young man, I moved to
Moscow from just north of
the Mason-Dixon line, I was
relieved to be free from all
the issues of race. Yea, I'm
white. Privileged by my
birth. As a kid, race and
ethnicity were overwhelming
to me. Italians hated the
Irish, Poles were disliked
and distrusted by almost
everyone. The blacks didn't
like whites in general.
Whites distrusted blacks.
Everyone had names for
everyone <span id="ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-0" class="ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277mark">else's</span> ethnicity.
Whops, spics, <span id="ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-1" class="ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277mark">hunkies</span>, kikes,
hillbillies... the list of
derogatory names goes on and
on. </div>
<div><span>I was despised
because of being sometimes
Irish, sometimes a sort of
<span id="ecxyiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-2">Polack.</span>
I learned to run and run
fast to keep from being
beaten up by what ever
group that happened to
cross my path. However, I
didn't see/understand
systemic racism until our
Boy Scout troop tried to
go swimming in the CITY
pool. They stopped us
because we were an
integrated troop. Being
young I never stopped to
think why there never were
black kids in the
pool...EVER. The man that
stopped us was a "greasy"
(another derogatory
slur)Greek with kinky hair
and a pretty dark
complexion. He stopped
Jerome with his arm
saying, "Not You!" Our
scout master must have
known what he was up to,
and to this day I hold him
in high esteem as a brave
and principled man. And
when that Greek guy
stopped him from entering
the locker, I looked at
Jerome, and maybe for the
first time saw him as a
black kid with whom I had
camped, sang, cooked
dinners, and saw what his
life entailed. It was much
more than name calling,
being hated, distrusted.
It was a system of hatred.
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<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Back to the bubble
thing...</span></div>
<div>So I moved here and left
ethnicity and race issues
behind. Well, not really. It
isn't so much an issue here
because the majority, the
vast majority of people are
white, like me. It is
inevitable that this will
change. It is already
changing and changing
rapidly. How will this area
deal with race and
ethnicity? There are hate
groups and hateful people
conveniently located nearby.
We need to be vigilant with
our communities, and with
ourselves. It is convenient
to be blind to the hatred
surrounding us. </div>
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<div>I suppose one good thing
that the so called "jury" in
Florida proved is that
SYSTEMIC racism still
exists. I sometimes forget
that. I live in a bubble.
Now I am reminded, but
should a young man's life be
sacrificed so that I would
again see? People who deny
that injustice exists live
in a state of blind shame.
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