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      Did not say it was.  I said the race portion that I added to my
      earlier little summary was brought from a few different areas.  So
      then I went to find an actual quote from someone to use.  I was
      not trying to imply that that comment was racist.<br>
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      Paul<br>
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      On 07/22/2013 05:28 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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      <div>How is my comment considered racist, Mr. Rumelhart!<br>
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        <div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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        <div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants
          on)</div>
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          <div>Tom Hansen</div>
          <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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          <div>"<span style="font-size: medium;
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              180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling
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            0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you
            kill </span><br style="font-size: medium;
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        On Jul 22, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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            Fine.  The race stuff I added was in response to how
            everyone makes this into a race issue.  Here is a quote from
            Tom Hansen:<br>
            <br>
            "George Zimmerman, an armed 28-year old neighborhood watch,
            follows, shoots and kills Trayvon Martin, a 17-year old boy
            (armed with Skittles) who lives in the neighborhood in which
            he was killed."<br>
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            Is that a fair characterization of the events that
            transpired that night?  <br>
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            Paul<br>
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            On 07/22/2013 05:13 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
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            <div>No one is characterizing the issue the way you did
              below. You should have more care and respect for others
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              On Jul 22, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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                  serif;font-size:12pt">I agree he should have gone
                  home.  I just don't like the mis-characterization of
                  him as some guy that stalked Martin through the trees
                  and murdered him in cold blood only because he was
                  black.  That's a disservice to Zimmerman, and it's
                  only done because he had the gall to be carrying a
                  handgun on his person in a political environment where
                  gun control is all the rage, and because he wasn't
                  charged with second degree murder immediately (through
                  no fault of his own).  Oh, and because everyone wants
                  to think of him as white, and therefore "entitled".<br>
                  <br>
                  So let me ask you, do you think there was sufficient
                  evidence to convict Zimmerman on second degree murder
                  charges?  Did the jury, in your personal opinion, show
                  systemic racism in their verdict?  Also, do you think
                  "white guy stalks and guns down innocent black
                  teenager" is a fair summary of the events that
                  happened that night?<br>
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                  Paul<br>
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                              style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                          Sunil Ramalingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
                          <br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                          Monday, July 22, 2013 4:25 PM<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [Vision2020] systemic injustice<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Paul,<br>
                              <br>
                              Your defense of Zimmerman stopped being
                              outlandish last week; you're well beyond
                              that now.<br>
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                              I don't think you should use 'meme' to
                              describe what others are saying until you
                              comprehend that Zimmerman should have
                              listened to the dispatcher and gone home.
                              This happened because he had a gun; if he
                              didn't he would have gone home.<br>
                              <br>
                              He had called 911; he was done.<br>
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                              Sunil<br>
                              <br>
                              <hr>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:42:56 -0700<br>
                              From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
                              To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>;
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                              Subject: Re: [Vision2020] systemic
                              injustice<br>
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                              <div style="">I respectfully disagree with
                                your conclusion.  I don't think the jury
                                verdict is an example of systemic
                                racism.  That was my original point. 
                                They just didn't have the evidence
                                needed to convict.  From looking at the
                                evidence myself, I support their
                                decision.  Race doesn't enter into it,
                                it's just a conclusion based on the
                                evidence.<br>
                                <br>
                                I do see two places where systemic
                                racism might have occurred:<br>
                                <br>
                                1. When the police decided not to arrest
                                Zimmerman at the very beginning.  I'm
                                assuming the police didn't arrest him
                                because they didn't think they had a
                                case, which was born out by the not
                                guilty verdict.  They probably should
                                have arrested him anyway and let the
                                courts figure that out, though. Maybe
                                they didn't arrest him because he was
                                white/hispanic.  That's certainly
                                possible.  It's also possible that it
                                had more to do with the fact that he
                                knew them.  That would be cronyism,
                                though.<br>
                                <br>
                                2. The other place where I see systemic
                                racism is in how the media and the
                                liberal community both are treating this
                                case.  NBC doctored the 911 call at the
                                very beginning to make it look like
                                racial profiling, and everyone seems to
                                have jumped on that bandwagon.  This
                                didn't have to be about race.  The fact
                                that it became about race shows a large
                                element of systemic racism in our media
                                and in many other areas, including in
                                political circles.  I've seen nothing to
                                make me think that Zimmerman targeted
                                Martin because he was black.  Because he
                                was suspicious, sure.  Because he was a
                                teenager, maybe. But not because of his
                                race.<br>
                                <br>
                                I also object, in a nice,
                                non-confrontational way, with your
                                characterization of people posting here
                                about the "rightness of the death of a
                                boy at the hands of a vigilante".  I
                                have never said that Trayvon Martin
                                should have died, nor have I expressed
                                an opinion about whether or not I would
                                think that a good thing.  I haven't seen
                                anyone else do so, either.  I've just
                                been trying to express why I think the
                                jury's verdict made sense, and to
                                counter the "white guy stalks and guns
                                down an innocent black teenager" meme
                                that, based on the evidence, seems to be
                                made out of whole cloth.<br>
                                <br>
                                I do think that Martin should not have
                                attacked Zimmerman, if that is indeed
                                what happened.  The evidence I've seen
                                points that way.  I think it's tragic
                                that he died, especially since this
                                whole confrontation could have easily
                                been avoided by both Martin and
                                Zimmerman.<br>
                                <br>
                                Paul<br>
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                                        "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>"
                                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>><br>
                                        <b><span style="">To:</span></b>
                                        "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>"
                                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>

                                        <br>
                                        <b><span style="">Sent:</span></b>
                                        Monday, July 22, 2013 10:43 AM<br>
                                        <b><span style="">Subject:</span></b>
                                        [Vision2020] systemic injustice<br>
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                                            <div><span>To those who
                                                insist on posting the
                                                rightness of the death
                                                of a boy at the hands of
                                                a vigilante, I post a
                                                soft spoken message. And
                                                I would remind you that
                                                your words may be
                                                hurtful...</span></div>
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                                            <div>I live in a bubble far
                                              removed from the rest of
                                              the country and my past.
                                              When, as a young
                                              man, I moved to
                                              Moscow from just north of
                                              the Mason-Dixon line, I
                                              was relieved to be free
                                              from all the issues of
                                              race. Yea, I'm white.
                                              Privileged by my birth. As
                                              a kid, race and ethnicity
                                              were overwhelming to me.
                                              Italians hated the Irish,
                                              Poles were disliked and
                                              distrusted by almost
                                              everyone. The blacks
                                              didn't like whites in
                                              general. Whites distrusted
                                              blacks. Everyone had names
                                              for everyone <span
                                                class="yiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277mark"
id="yiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-0">else's</span> ethnicity.
                                              Whops, spics, <span
                                                class="yiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277mark"
id="yiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-1">hunkies</span>, kikes,
                                              hillbillies... the list of
                                              derogatory names goes on
                                              and on. </div>
                                            <div><span>I was despised
                                                because of being
                                                sometimes Irish,
                                                sometimes a sort of <span
id="yiv0781227224ecxyiv4732805277misspell-2">Polack.</span> I learned to
                                                run and run fast to keep
                                                from being beaten up by
                                                what ever group that
                                                happened to cross my
                                                path. However, I didn't
                                                see/understand systemic
                                                racism until our Boy
                                                Scout troop tried to go
                                                swimming in the CITY
                                                pool. They stopped us
                                                because we were
                                                an integrated
                                                troop. Being young I
                                                never stopped to think
                                                why there never
                                                were black kids in the
                                                pool...EVER. The man
                                                that stopped us was a
                                                "greasy" (another
                                                derogatory slur)Greek
                                                with kinky hair and a
                                                pretty dark complexion.
                                                He stopped Jerome with
                                                his arm saying, "Not
                                                You!" Our scout master
                                                must have known what he
                                                was up to, and to this
                                                day I hold him in high
                                                esteem as a brave and
                                                principled man.  And
                                                when that Greek guy
                                                stopped him from
                                                entering the locker, I
                                                looked at Jerome,
                                                and maybe for the first
                                                time saw him as a black
                                                kid with whom I had
                                                camped, sang, cooked
                                                dinners, and saw what
                                                his life entailed. It
                                                was much more than name
                                                calling, being hated,
                                                distrusted. It was a
                                                system of hatred. </span></div>
                                            <div><span></span> </div>
                                            <div><span>Back to the
                                                bubble thing...</span></div>
                                            <div>So I moved here and
                                              left ethnicity and race
                                              issues behind. Well, not
                                              really. It isn't so much
                                              an issue here because the
                                              majority, the vast
                                              majority of people are
                                              white, like me. It is
                                              inevitable that this will
                                              change. It is already
                                              changing and changing
                                              rapidly. How will this
                                              area deal with race and
                                              ethnicity? There are hate
                                              groups and hateful people
                                              conveniently located
                                              nearby. We need to be
                                              vigilant with our
                                              communities, and with
                                              ourselves. It is
                                              convenient to be blind to
                                              the hatred surrounding us.
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                                            <div>I suppose one good
                                              thing that the so called
                                              "jury" in Florida proved
                                              is that SYSTEMIC racism
                                              still exists. I sometimes
                                              forget that. I live in a
                                              bubble. Now I am reminded,
                                              but should a young man's
                                              life be sacrificed so that
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