<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Mr. Rumelart . . . Mr. Rumelart . . . Mr. Rumelart . . . </div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">My analogy of those charges filed against the children that assaulted Mahaney and the assault charge (that was waived) against Zimmerman was in response to Wayne Price's comment . . .</div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">"</span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">1st charge, 'when he was barely out of his teens' : waived"</span></div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></span></div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">NOW do you understand?</span></div><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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He compares a long list of charges the six teens are facing vs. a
charge that was waived for Zimmerman. What am I supposed to infer
from that?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
On 07/22/2013 05:55 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Lord knows I disagree with Tom plenty. However, I
think you're the only person who thinks Tom made that inference.<br>
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Sunil <br>
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<hr>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:35:49 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?<br>
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new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">I don't
know what 13- and 14-year-olds deserve. I'll have to think
about this for a while. I was just responding to Tom's
inferences that these kids were getting the short end of the
stick while Zimmerman, because people think of him as white I
guess, got a waived sentence. So I was curious what lesser
sentences they deserved.<br>
<br>
I don't believe that there is any one age where a child
magically becomes an adult. It's a continuum. I would also
be very surprised if I found out that a adults brain
crystallizes at a set age and never changes after that.
Anything beyond that I'll have to think about a bit.<br>
<br>
Oh, I'm not a neuroscience denier, by the way. I'm sure that
a teenagers brain is different than a middle-aged man's
brain. I just don't know what you want me to do with that
information. How should I change my current tactics of
treating 17-year-olds as adults when I meet them? What should
I do differently, knowing that their brain functioning is not
fully developed in the regions that govern impulse control?
Should we as a society not punish teenagers for doing things
we are sure they understand are wrong?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe
Campbell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul
Rumelhart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Moscow Cares <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com"><moscowcares@moscow.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.comVision2020">"vision2020@moscow.com Vision2020"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, July 22, 2013 3:36 PM<br>
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<div>Paul,<br>
<br>
What do you think 13- and 14-year-olds deserve?
Of course, you ignore climate science, so it
doesn't surprise me that you ignored the
information I posted recently about brain
development and age too. But what do YOU think
and for what reason? What is YOUR theory of
moral responsibility? When do people become
eligible for guilt and punishment? At what age
and under what conditions are individuals to be
held fully accountable for their actions? And
what is YOUR justification for holding the view
about moral responsibility that you hold?
Immaterial soul? Magic? Anything you damn well
feel like believing?<br>
<br>
</div>
I'm not trying to be disrespectful. But I have an
answer to these questions. In fact, this is one of
my primary research interests, so I could talk
about it all day. I'd like to hear what you have
to say.<br>
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Best, Joe<br>
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times
new roman, new york, times, serif;">Do you
think they deserve any less?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Moscow Cares <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Joe Campbell <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
"<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
Vision2020" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, July 22, 2013 2:35 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Should he have
stayed in his truck?<br>
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<div>And those 13- and
14-year-olds (in the
beginning years of their
teens) who assaulted
Mahaney, . . . two
sentenced to probation .
. . three plead guilty
to felonious assault . .
. the sixth pending
trial; all six of whom
may be facing homicide
charges if an autopsy
reflects that the
assault may have been
contributory to
Mahaney's death.</div>
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<div>Nope. No waiver
there.<br>
<br>
<div>Seeya 'round town,
Moscow, because . . .</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Moscow Cares" (the
most fun you can have
with your pants on)</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's
room at the top
they are telling
you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium;">But
first you must learn
how to smile as you
kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;">
<span style="font-size:medium;">If
you want to be like
the folks on the
hill."</span></div>
<div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font size="3"><span>-
John Lennon<br>
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On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:11
PM, Joe Campbell <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Barely out of his
teens? Again
relevant for him but
not Martin!?!</div>
<div><br>
On Jul 22, 2013, at
1:54 PM, Wayne Price
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>1st charge,
"when he was
barely out of his
teens" : waived
<div>2nd set of
charges (Civil
charge): mutual
restraining
orders</div>
<div>3rd charge:
dismissed</div>
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<div>On Jul
22, 2013, at
1:47 PM, Joe
Campbell
wrote:</div>
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<blockquote>
<div dir="ltr">
Here's some
more
information
about
Zimmerman.
Domestic
violence?
Fighting with
a police
officer? How
come no one
called him a
"thug"?<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite">http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite</a><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>On Mon,
Jul 22, 2013
at 12:04 PM,
Wayne Price <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/22/us/florida-zimmerman-vehicle/index.html?hpt=hp_t1" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(64,58,55);outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;"><font size="5">Zimmerman
helps family
in car wreck</font></a></h1>
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<span style="font-family:arial;font-size:14px;line-height:19px;"><b>
(CNN)</b> --
Four days
after he was
acquitted of
murder, George
Zimmerman
stepped out of
seclusion to
help a family
get out of an
overturned </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:14px;line-height:19px;"> vehicle
in Florida,
authorities
said Monday.</span>
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Zimmerman and
another man
helped four
people get out
of an SUV that
had overturned
Wednesday
evening in
Sanford -- the
same community
where the
former
neighborhood
watch
volunteer
fatally shot
unarmed
teenager
Trayvon Martin
in 2012 --
Seminole
County
Sheriff's
Office
spokeswoman
Heather Smith
said.</div>
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Authorities
were called
after the SUV
went off the
road and
rolled over in
the area of
Interstate 4
and State Road
46. By the
time a deputy
arrived,
Zimmerman and
another man
already had
helped the two
adults and two
children out
of the
vehicle, Smith
said.</div>
<div style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:24px;padding-bottom:19px;padding-left:186px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:14px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;font:normal
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Zimmerman did
not witness
the crash, and
he left after
making contact
with the
deputy, Smith
said. No
injuries were
reported.</div>
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Zimmerman has
been out of
the public eye
since a jury
found him not
guilty of
second degree
murder on July
13. His
parents told
ABC News last
week that
their family
has received
an "enormous
amount of
death
threats."</div>
<div style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:24px;padding-bottom:19px;padding-left:186px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:14px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;font:normal
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He fatally
shot Martin in
the Sanford
neighborhood
where
Zimmerman and
Martin's
father lived
in February
2012.
Zimmerman, a
Hispanic man,
had a
confrontation
with the
African-American
teen after
calling police
to report a
suspicious
person, and he
said he shot
Martin in
self-defense.</div>
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The case
became a
flashpoint in
debates over
racial
profiling, and
thousands
attended
vigils across
the country
over the
weekend,
decrying the
verdict.</div>
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serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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