<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Exactly, Joe.</div><div><br></div><div>The state of Florida has become the venue where the shoot-out at the OK Corral would be considered legal, provided that each side is in fear for their lives when they initially meet. There is no requirement for anybody to seek alternate actions to "ready-aim(optional)-fire".</div><div><br></div><div>At least Idaho requires the threat to take place on your property when younpull the trigger.<br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Gary,<br><br>I don't want to pick on Zimmerman. Other than some superficial understanding of the case, I know nothing about Mr. Zimmerman, no reason to think he's racist or whatever. I also think that, were I a juror, I might have found him innocent since -- as you note below -- there were no eyewitnesses and thus reasonable doubt about his guilt. Again, I have only a superficial understanding of the case.<br>
<br></div>But the real story seems different than the one you tell below and based on my understanding of the story I would say it sounds as if Mr. Zimmerman is guilty of negligence leading to the death of a young man, at the very least. Again, given the stand-your-ground law it is unlikely he can be charged with anything.<br>
<br></div><div>But that is what is so disturbing to me about the case. Likely Zimmerman violated no laws. Maybe Zimmerman is not a racist but of course there are a lot of racists. Maybe he didn't think Martin was suspicious because he was black but if you listen to the black men talking to Chris Matthews about their experiences in the link I posted yesterday stories of black men being suspected of wrongdoing merely because they are black are all too common. <br>
<br><pre><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/chris-matthews-apologizes-black-colleagues-behalf-white-people_n_3622703.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/chris-matthews-apologizes-black-colleagues-behalf-white-people_n_3622703.html</a><br>
</pre><br>So here is the situation we have now, given the Zimmerman result. A white man in Florida, armed with a gun, can get into a car and follow any black kid he wants. If the black kid objects in a threatening way he can shoot and kill him. Your tendency to disagree with anything that progressives and liberals say must be pretty strong for you to look at this story and not think that something is seriously wrong. Zimmerman is guilty of something, maybe not in the eyes of crazy Florida law but at least in some common sense moral way.<br>
<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>When I used the term "self- righteous" it had nothing to do with the fact you disagree with my position (that's a given) and everything to do with the fact that you do so based upon nothing more then your apparently hyper developed notion of how things ought to be. Forget judges, jury's, witness's and Florida state law, Ms. Mix knows the score!</div>
<div> </div><div>So, here's the deal. Zimmerman, a guy with less than zero previous record of animosity toward black people is driving in his neighborhood (which is experiencing a major uptick in break ins) and spots what he believes is a suspicious character. He dutifully notifies the local police and <span>makes</span> an effort to keep the guy in sight, provide a decent description when asked, and tries to provide an accurate location for law enforcement to come and handle the situation. Right up to this point Zimmerman is a gold star citizen. When the guy gets out of his vehicle to keep the guy in sight a telephone operator suggests that " he doesn't have to do that." Zimmerman says OK.
Nothing remotely resembling "<font face="Tahoma">direct disobedience of the Police Department's orders." Next comes the unknown. We do know that Mr. Martin was well aware that he was being followed and that he was less than 30 seconds away from the safety of his fathers girlfriends house. At "ten years younger and fifty pounds lighter" it's a fairly safe bet that out running Zimmerman would have been a lead pipe cinch. What actually happens in the next few seconds neither you nor I can possibly know for an absolute fact but, I do know that I am basing my thoughts on evidence presented and the testimony of a man who was there whose explanation is not in conflict with the evidence.</font><font face="Tahoma"> Based upon nothing presented, you conclude that our otherwise upright citizen is a liar and a wanton racist killer. Your explanation for your quaint notion? None given.</font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"></font> </div><div><font face="Tahoma">Stupid, facile, shameful, and evil? Considering the level of reasoning you bring to this and other discussions, I guess I must be. Heck, how could I be anything but?</font></div>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Keely Emerine-Mix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank">siyocreo@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:10pt" face="Tahoma">I lament the fact that my having an opinion that is different from yours makes me "self righteous." Calling your comments "stupid" might not be the most righteous thing I've done this week, but it's what I think. If I erred, I erred in ascribing inanity to you, not evil. There IS a distinction, and I always like to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I've never found you to be an evil man, and I haven't ever thought you to be a stupid one. What you wrote, however, was shameful. I'm quite sure you can deal with my thinking so.<br>
<br></font>You wrote:<br><font style="font-size:10pt" face="Tahoma">"Zimmerman's decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if
that is in fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out
of the bushes and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the
seventy yard to his fathers girlfriends home was not."<br><br>I truly mourn that you could write a paragraph, in analysis of the Zimmerman case, wherein you suggest -- groundlessly -- that the dead kid's actions in jumping out of a bush to assault the man who eventually shot and killed him were "illegal," as opposed to what you affirm is the legality of Zimmerman's actions. No one knows that Trayvon Martin jumped out of the bushes to harm the armed man who was stalking him in direct disobedience of the Police Department's orders, and who was not only armed but who was a decade older and some 50 lbs. heavier. If that scenario has lodged itself in your brain and those of others around you, I can assure you that it would not be the first time a guy who did something very bad, with the witness dead by his hand, conjured up a story more favorable than what happened -- or even what appeared to happen -- and got other folks to believe it. Bottom line, Gary, your contribution to this discussion was to say that the victim did something illegal and the assailant didn't. <br>
</font><br>Unless you were there, tell me how you know. There is real horror in your suggestion that the kid shot to death in his own neighborhood somehow contributed to it by doing something, in your words, that was illegal. And from all the way up here on my moral, emotional high horse, I can tell you that stinks to high heaven.<br>
<br>I may be the only one there tomorrow at 6 o'something at the Square to protest the verdict and the injustice of our justice system, but that's OK. I can promise you that I don't mind one bit looking silly and emotional and self-righteous when the alternative is silence in the face of a great wrong. <br>
<br>Keely<br><br><br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br><br><br><div><hr>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:18:08 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95<br>
From: <a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank">siyocreo@live.com</a><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Civil and thoughtful what? Display of poorly focused emotional editorializing?</div>
<div> </div><div>Perhaps you would be able to climb down from horse on high to point out my </div><div>factual errors rather then trying to simply be insulting. Second thought, don't</div>
<div>bother. To attempting to pit the facts verses your feelings,imagination, and </div><div>your grossly overdeveloped sense of self righteousness is sure to be the very </div><div>definition of time ill spent.</div><div>
</div><div>g</div><div> </div></div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank">siyocreo@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:10pt" face="Tahoma">I'm going to briefly abandon my attempts to civil and thoughtful for a moment and say, Gary, the only thing that I can muster in regard to your final paragraph:<br>
<br>That's the most bizarre, facile, intellectually dishonest and frankly stupid analysis of this whole travesty I've ever heard. <br><br>Keely<br></font><br><br><br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br>
<br><br><div><hr>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:51:51 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95<br>From: <a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank">siyocreo@live.com</a><br>
<br><div dir="ltr"><div>I very strongly suspect that the likelihood of being jumped and beaten by one of the local seventeen year <span>olds</span> would be vanishingly small to the point that to bet otherwise would be to throw away cash.</div>
<div> </div><div>I have to imagine that it's fun for some to endlessly bang away at the "stalked the poor child" narrative but, an equally valid perspective would be that Zimmerman was performing a public service to his community by being involved in a neighborhood watch program and was in no way attempting to be surreptitious or covert in his attention to Martin's presence.</div>
<div> </div><div>Poor decisions were made by both Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman's decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if that is in fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of the bushes and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the seventy yard to his fathers girlfriends home was not.</div>
<div> </div><div> </div><div>g</div></div><div><br><br><div>On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="auto"><div>The best point to make is not that Zimmerman was racist, or that the jurors were racist. There is no basis for either assertion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That doesn't mean the case isn't symptomatic of a kind of persistent institutionalized racism. You say first reports were that Zimmerman attacked an unarmed kid. But that report turned out to be false.</div>
<div><br></div><div>How is it false? He was 17 and unarmed. Say what you want but Zimmerman stalked then shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was merely walking around his own neighborhood. How could you not feel outrage? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Why don't you drive around the streets of Moscow and follow all the 17-year-old kids you see. See what happens. There seems to be a kind of wreckless negligence on the part of Zimmerman, if nothing else.</div>
<div><br>On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:27 PM, lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote><div><div dir="LTR"><div dir="LTR">
<br><div>Just a few comments.</div><div>From the first reports out it appeared that Zimmerman had unjustly attacked and unarmed kid. A picture was shown of a 12 year old Trayvon. This report turned out to be false. Ziommerman is not a monster or a saint. He was a mentor for black kids and he took a black girl to the prom. He obviously is not a racist. This was an unfortunate event where both have some responsibility. We are a nation of laws. On the bases of the evidence, the jury had no choice but to acquit. There have been many cases where whites has have killed blacks due to racial hatred and they should have been executed for it. Just two example are Emmett Till and the three Civil Rights workers. This case is entirely different.</div>
<div>Roger</div><br><blockquote style="padding-left:1em;font-family:tahoma,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-left-color:blue;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid" dir="LTR"><hr size="1">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: "Paul Rumelhart" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>, "Keely Emerine-Mix" <<a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank">siyocreo@live.com</a>><br>Date: 07/15/13 18:29<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95<br><br>
<div>A few points.<br><br>On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:<br> </div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">No, Paul – <b>you</b> are missing the point. Make as many excuses about Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but that doesn’t change the <b>fact</b> that an innocent child who was doing <b>nothing wrong</b> is now dead because <b>he</b> (Trayvon) decided to exercise <b>his</b> right to defind <b>himself</b> against the deadly menace named George Zimmerman.</span><br>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Make no mistake about it: Zimmerman was <b>stalking</b> this child the way a cat stalks a bird.</span><br>
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<br>In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him until the police got there.<br><br><blockquote><div> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">And, make no mistake about it: Trayvon Martin’s death was unjust. It is <b>absolutely unjust</b> when an innocent child doing not a thing in the world wrong winds up dead because a nut with an indisputable chip on his shoulder has a gun, and the injustice is further magnified when the killer escapes punishment.</span><br>
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<br>He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. So what do you propose? Throw the rule of law aside for this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?<br><br>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Trayvon had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying whacko who had already been told by LE <b>not</b> to follow the victim. Any man, woman, or child of <b>any</b> color with connected brain cells would feel threatened being stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like Zimmerman.</span><br>
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<br>Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't find out until after he was fighting him.<br><br><blockquote><div> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">And, if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster like Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an innocent child and why they want to organize a vigil – or millions of vigils -- in Trayvon Martin’s honor, then I don’t know what to say other than I pity you and your lack of humanity.</span><br>
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<br>You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for being subjective at the same time? And why do you always assume that if I disagree with you that I "lack humanity"? I know myself, and could give a crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Finally, why don’t you just give it a rest? Your biased explanation of why you felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly interesting, even though you included a lot of subjective speculation supporting your bias I guess you hoped we’d miss (LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your selective subjectivity).</span><br>
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<br>I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but I could be wrong.<br><br><blockquote><div> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">But, how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes you don’t care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the hubris that makes you think it appropriate to tell others where they should be directing their energies? If you want to organize or get out there & protest for your list of causes, have at it! No one is stopping you or suggesting you should be directing your focus elsewhere.</span><br>
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<br>Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be yet another witch hunt. A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.<br><br><blockquote><div> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Why, then, you do feel the need to chide others who <b>do</b> care – and care deeply – about the completely preventable tragic death of an innocent child at the hands of a lunatic vigilante?</span><br>
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<br>That death could have been prevented two ways. Zimmerman could have left him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not fought him. It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as black and white (no pun intended) as people would like to believe.<br>
<br>Paul<br><br><blockquote><div> <br>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Saundra</span><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Keely Emerine-Mix; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95</span><br>
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<p style="background:white"><span>The problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice. You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the armed white man for no reason other than he was black. Facts to the contrary be damned. It's a nice story, but just remember that that's what it is: a story.<br>
<br>Paul</span></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Tom, be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever microphone you can, and I'll see you there. I don't care how many people show up. I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such an injustice.<br>
<br>Keely<br></span> <span><br><br><br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br><br></span></p>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0700<br>> From: Tom Hansen <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank"><thansen@moscow.com></a><br>> To: Keely Emerine-Mix <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank"><siyocreo@live.com></a><br>
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><br>> I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.<br>><br>> Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally a reality, and consider it done.<br>><br>> Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !<br>
><br>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br>><br>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br>> <a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><br>
><br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>><br>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still<br>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill<br>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<br>
><br>> - John Lennon<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank"><siyocreo@live.com></a> wrote:<br>><br>> > Visionaires,<br>
> ><br>> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.<br>
> ><br>> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.<br>> ><br>> > Love,<br>> > Keely<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br>
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><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:31:27 -0600<br>> From: Scott Dredge <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><scooterd408@hotmail.com></a><br>
> To: Keely Emerine-Mix <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank"><siyocreo@live.com></a>, viz <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?<br>
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> What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung jury. Outright full acquittal.<br>><br>> I hate sounding like a broken record but for whatever reason I can't seem to get a basic point across that ***we do not have system of mob rule***. If we did, Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due process long ago. Would that be less of an outrage?<br>
><br>> -Scott<br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank">siyocreo@live.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700<br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Visionaires,<br>><br>> I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.<br>
><br>> This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.<br>><br>> Love,<br>> Keely<br>><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br>
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><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT)<br>> From: Paul Rumelhart <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
> To: Keely Emerine-Mix <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank"><siyocreo@live.com></a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a><br>> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <a href="mailto:1373913845.39333.YahooMailNeo@web163602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" target="_blank"><1373913845.39333.YahooMailNeo@web163602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com></a><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>><br>> Keely,<br>><br>> Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have done any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for help).? According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin isn't around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.? In my opinion, of course.? To prove second degree murder, they would have to disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I haven't seen any evidence of that, either.<br>
><br>><br>> The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything, Martin was the one framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard of it).?<br>
><br>><br>> If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or protest the drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or protest how the US is going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.?<br>
><br>><br>> Don't be distracted by this media circus.<br>><br>> Paul<br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Keely Emerine-Mix <a href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com" target="_blank"><siyocreo@live.com></a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM<br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Visionaires,<br>><br>> I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.<br>
><br>> This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.<br>><br>> Love,<br>> Keely<br>><br>><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br>
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