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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2013 11:20 PM, Darrell Keim
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      <div class="gmail_extra">Sounds like you had some fun, Don!  What
        is a Q multiplier?<br>
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    Here's an amateur operator who is not so restrained about describing
    and demonstrating a Q multiplier:<br>
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    Ken<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Don
          Coombs <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:wildmushroomer@gmail.com" target="_blank">wildmushroomer@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                      <div>It's like memory lane to hear about tube
                        amplifiers etc.<br>
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                      Being old has a few advantages. I remember when
                      "high fidelity" first reared its head, in the
                      1950s. A company came out with a separate
                      component amp called the Pilot-tone (or something
                      like that), which featured 6v6 output tubes in
                      push-pull. Until then people had to buy "music
                      centers" where everything was built into a piece
                      of furniture, with cheap turntable and poor
                      speakers.<br>
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                    <div>Fisher also was early into selling component
                      audio, I think.<br>
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                    Later I built quite a few Heathkits. Some guy (not
                    named Heath, maybe named Anthony) bought up boxcar
                    loads of electronics that were being sold as surplus
                    after World War II. If he had boxcars of a certain
                    tube, he had somebody design kits that used them.<br>
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                  I built Heathkit audio amps, a shortwave radio, a VTVM
                  and a Q-multiplier, and probably some other kits.
                  (Note my restraint in not carrying on about what a
                  Q-multiplier is.)<br>
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                I still have the VTVM and the Q-multiplier and could be
                induced to part with them.<br>
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              Don Coombs<br>
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                  <div class="h5">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Ted
                    Moffett <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                        target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">I purchased that Empire 398
                        turntable in 1967, and the inflation calculator
                        you used shows if it cost $500 in 2012, it would
                        be about $73 in 1967... I recall a price over
                        $100... This source indicates at least one
                        version of this turntable selling for $175 in
                        the 1960s:<br>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><a
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                            href="http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=278075"
                            target="_blank">http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=278075</a><br>
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                        <div class="gmail_extra">The calculator show
                          this equates to $1187 from 1967 to 2012.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_extra">The $500 price of that
                          May 2013 Ebay listing for this turntable may
                          be way under priced... Or maybe it needed
                          refurbishing...<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_extra">Consider this Ebay
                          listing, that just ended July 15, 2013, with
                          extensive information on the specifications of
                          the turntable, where the winning bid was <span>US
                            $1,525.00... The phono cartridge also needs
                            to be considered in the price... </span><br>
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href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Empire-Troubadour-398-Vintage-Turntable-w-888-SE-Cartridge-980-Tonearm-Gold-Tone-/161060648596?nma=true&si=RJoqRF%252Bwmo%252B09gVqjDZKhwz3Cmc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557"
                            target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Empire-Troubadour-398-Vintage-Turntable-w-888-SE-Cartridge-980-Tonearm-Gold-Tone-/161060648596?nma=true&si=RJoqRF%252Bwmo%252B09gVqjDZKhwz3Cmc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a><br>
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                          <div class="gmail_extra">Vision2020 Post: Ted
                            Moffett<br>
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                            On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Kenneth
                            Marcy <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  <div>On 7/16/2013 5:03 PM, Ted Moffett
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                                      <div>Well, no doubt the whole list
                                        is spell bound by this subject,
                                        but I could not believe what I
                                        just found with a quick search
                                        for "empire turntable cartridge
                                        1960s" to see if I could find a
                                        reference to the turntable I had
                                        while a student at Moscow High
                                        in the 1960s...<br>
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                                      This May 2013 Ebay listing, for
                                      500 dollars, if you can believe
                                      it, looks exactly like the
                                      turntable I had!  I did not pay
                                      500 dollars for it in the 1960s! 
                                      Much less... Note belt riding on
                                      the outside of the platter:<br>
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                                Considering only Consumer Price Index
                                changes, $500.00 in 2012 dollars is the
                                equivalent of $69.89 in 1965 dollars.<br>
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                                Would you like to do this or other
                                calculations yourself?  Here's the URL: 
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                                  href="http://www.westegg.com/inflation/"
                                  target="_blank">http://www.westegg.com/inflation/</a> 
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                                Ken<br>
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