<div dir="ltr"><div><div>In my opinion the trial was over almost at the beginning. The decisive finding had to be whose voice was that on the recording calling for help. Testimony came from friends of each party claiming one or the other was the one yelling If it was unclear to the jury who was yelling for help, then it would be hard to make a claim of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Zimmerman did not testify so the jury really had not good sample to compare with the voice on the tape which was not of good quality.<br>
<br></div>Here's the irony.: The judge ruled at the beginning of the trial to not admit testimony of three experts whose voice stress analyses and other tests indicated that the voice was not Zimmerman's. No real-time sample of Martin's voice was possible since he was dead.<br>
<br></div>The reporting of this decision was unclear and mentioned very casually in passing. Usually such testimony is admitted with the jury instructed to decide the validity of it based on counsel's arguments and possible contrary expert testimony.<br>
<br>w.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rosemary Huskey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thank you for this exchange, Scott. I hope I didn’t come across as patronizing or preachy – it’s just that in my own life (and I suspect most white folks) I didn’t understand the big deal about race related issues (aside from the Klan, Birmingham Sunday, March on Washington etc. and other national issues that were of profound interest to me but not part of my life) until race became part of my daily family life in 1970. Understanding the “crime’ of breathing while black just doesn’t occur to white people. I was blessed beyond words with an interracial family and provided with insights and opportunities for personal growth I would never have had without Afro-American children. And, heaven knows I don’t enjoy playing my version of the white privilege race card so I kinda need to avoid a retelling (to the great relief of all, I imagine) of my personal journal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Rose<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Scott Dredge [mailto:<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart; Rosemary Huskey; viz</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] No book deal<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div>
<div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">First off, thank you for your honesty Rose. Again, I did watch the interview and scoured the transcripts but nothing convinced me that Juror B37 was a 'racist' or that she was a 'cretin'. In terms of her being 'culturally incompetent', I felt that could not be determined from the interview as she did not disclose anything about her past.<br>
<br>About the only thing that came up in the interview that might have been considered racist was that Trayvon had allegedly said in a phone call that he was being followed by a 'creepy-ass cracker'. Juror B37 said she didn't consider this to be a racist comment. FWIW, I don't either. I just considered it the lingo he used with his friend to describe the guy following him.<br>
<br>Anyway - if there is anything specific that you can cite from the transcript, I'd be happy to give you my interpretation of the message I think she is trying to convey.<br><br>-Scott<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:14:38 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No book deal<br>To: <a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>; <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style>The ironic thing here is that George Zimmerman belonged to a mixed race family, and described himself as "Hispanic" on voter registration forms. He has just as much experience as you do living in a mixed race family. You can read more about that here: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-case-georg_n_1387711.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-case-georg_n_1387711.html</a> Nothing about this case follows the standard "white guy with a gun stalks black child" scenario very closely.<br>
<br>But, the police put down "white" on the police report, and the media ran with it (possibly because his surname didn't sound ethnic). Then, thanks to creative editing by someone at NBC, we got a snippet from 9-1-1 having Zimmerman say "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black", when the "he looks black" part actually came later in the conversation when the 9-1-1 operator asked what the suspects race was. He didn't mention Martin's race until asked. More on this here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin#Misleading_audio_editing_by_NBC" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin#Misleading_audio_editing_by_NBC</a> This allowed the media to frame this as a racial issue, and it went to hell from there.<br>
<br>So, if you can spare any anger from what you're feeling for Zimmerman, Scott, or myself, try directing it at the main stream media, particularly NBC for trying to dupe us all into viewing this in a way that would provide them with more papers sold and more clicks on their websites.<br>
<br>Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
<div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white" align="center"><span style><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Rosemary Huskey <<a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> 'Scott Dredge' <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>>; 'viz' <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:25 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] No book deal</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Good Morning Scott,</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I might well be all three of those adjectives, Scott. However, I have one “credential” that I think you and most of the other white readers on V2020 (and certainly those moronic women on the jury) lack – the experience of an interracial family, and forty plus years of dealing with folks who don’t even recognize the bounty they reap from unearned privilege and racial entitlement – starting with my own embarrassing lack of awareness of the power of race and gender-based benefits decades ago. </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have slowly and painfully earned the right to be mighty sick and tired of limousine liberals, Dixiecrat conservatives, and “crazy ass white crackers who sit on Florida juries” in matters concerning the inherent bigotry in this state, in Florida, and this country. And even with all that, I am still (until I open my mouth) gratuitously awarded advantages that people of color rarely enjoy.</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I consider Juror B37 to be profoundly unaware and grievously ignorant of the real world of those who are not born middleclass, able-bodied, white, and male. I don’t give a hoot or a holler about her weeping and moaning over the “hours” she and her cohorts spent whittling down Zimmerman’s culpability. That is so offensive to me that even I dare not open that door.</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Rose</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Scott Dredge [<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rosemary Huskey; viz<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] No book deal</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">
<span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Correction:<br><br>Rose, you've now deemed to be 'racist', 'culturally incompetent', and a 'cretin'.<br>
<br>Same question applies though...Would it be fair to say that you consider Juror B37 to be 'biased' and that you consider yourself to be 'unbiased'?<br><br>-Scott</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:58:02 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No book deal</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><her cultural incompetence remains available as a teachable moment for all of us.><br>
<br>The teachable moment that I get out of this from you Rose is that if you disagree with a verdict, find fault with<br>jurors. You've now deemed Juror B37 as 'racist' and 'culturally incompetent'.<br>
<br>Would it be fair to say that you consider Juror B37 to be 'biased' and that you consider yourself to be 'unbiased'?<br><br>The reason I ask is that I watched the interview and I read the full transcript and found her to be neither a 'racist'<br>
nor 'culturally incompetent'. That doesn't mean that she's not, I just don't find enough evidence based on what<br>I've seen and read. I'm willing to keep an open mind though.<br><br>-Scott</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:25:23 -0700<br>Subject: [Vision2020] No book deal</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In fairness, since I mentioned the potential book deal for Juror B37 I am honor bound to share:</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“Martin Literary Management announced Monday that it was representing B37 and her husband, who is an attorney. The names of the jurors have not been released, but during jury selection it was disclosed that B37 works in an unspecified management position and has two adult children.<br>
<br>But agency head Sharlene Martin released a statement late Monday saying she was no longer representing the juror and that the juror had dropped the book idea. It included a statement that she said was crafted in conjunction with agency in which the juror explained that being sequestered had kept her shielded "from the depth of pain that exists among the general public over every aspect of the case." The juror said that the book was meant to show that our justice system "can get so complicated that it creates a conflict with our `spirit' of justice."</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/7/15/george_zimmerman_tri.html" target="_blank">http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/7/15/george_zimmerman_tri.html</a></span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is to be hoped that she can quietly retire to her private life, although, her cultural incompetence remains available as a teachable moment for all of us.</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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