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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">A few points.<br>
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On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No,
Paul – <b>you</b> are missing the point. Make as many
excuses about Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but
that doesn’t change the <b>fact</b> that an innocent child
who was doing <b>nothing wrong</b> is now dead because <b>he</b>
(Trayvon) decided to exercise <b>his </b>right to defind <b>himself</b>
against the deadly menace named George Zimmerman.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Make
no mistake about it: Zimmerman was <b>stalking</b> this
child the way a cat stalks a bird.</span></p>
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In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him
until the police got there.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And,
make no mistake about it: Trayvon Martin’s death was
unjust. It is <b>absolutely unjust</b> when an innocent
child doing not a thing in the world wrong winds up dead
because a nut with an indisputable chip on his shoulder has
a gun, and the injustice is further magnified when the
killer escapes punishment.</span></p>
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He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough
evidence to convict him. So what do you propose? Throw the rule of
law aside for this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Trayvon
had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying
whacko who had already been told by LE <b>not</b> to follow
the victim. Any man, woman, or child of <b>any</b> color
with connected brain cells would feel threatened being
stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like
Zimmerman.</span></p>
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Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't
find out until after he was fighting him.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And,
if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster
like Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an
innocent child and why they want to organize a vigil – or
millions of vigils -- in Trayvon Martin’s honor, then I
don’t know what to say other than I pity you and your lack
of humanity.</span></p>
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<br>
You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for
being subjective at the same time? And why do you always assume
that if I disagree with you that I "lack humanity"? I know myself,
and could give a crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Finally,
why don’t you just give it a rest? Your biased explanation
of why you felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly
interesting, even though you included a lot of subjective
speculation supporting your bias I guess you hoped we’d miss
(LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your selective
subjectivity).</span></p>
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I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but
I could be wrong.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But,
how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes
you don’t care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the
hubris that makes you think it appropriate to tell others
where they should be directing their energies? If you want
to organize or get out there & protest for your list of
causes, have at it! No one is stopping you or suggesting
you should be directing your focus elsewhere.</span></p>
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Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be
yet another witch hunt. A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Why,
then, you do feel the need to chide others who <b>do</b>
care – and care deeply – about the completely preventable
tragic death of an innocent child at the hands of a lunatic
vigilante?</span></p>
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That death could have been prevented two ways. Zimmerman could have
left him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not
fought him. It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as
black and white (no pun intended) as people would like to believe.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Keely Emerine-Mix; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol
85, Issue 95<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">The problem as I see it, Keely, is
that you want it to be an injustice. You want it to be
about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the
armed white man for no reason other than he was black.
Facts to the contrary be damned. It's a nice story, but
just remember that that's what it is: a story.<br>
<br>
Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Keely Emerine-Mix <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com"><siyocreo@live.com></a><br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest,
Vol 85, Issue 95</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Tom,
be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know,
bring whatever microphone you can, and I'll
see you there. I don't care how many people
show up. I care very much that I myself not
be silent in the face of such an injustice.<br>
<br>
Keely<br id="yiv1489015498FontBreak">
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> I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %,
Keely.<br>
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> Please let me know what I, or Moscow
Cares, can do to make this rally a reality,
and consider it done.<br>
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> > Visionaires, <br>
> > <br>
> > I've been out of town for two
weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or
anything scheduled on the Palouse in support
of the Trayvon Martin family and to express
outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest
6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please
either inform me of something previously
planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing
to speak and I know others of you would,
too.<br>
> > <br>
> > This saddens and angers me beyond
measure. We have to speak out.<br>
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> > Love,<br>
> > Keely<br>
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> From: Scott Dredge
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> To: Keely Emerine-Mix
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> What would be the point? It was very
controversial to bring George Zimmerman to
trial in the first place. He was acquitted.
Not even a hung jury. Outright full
acquittal.<br>
> <br>
> I hate sounding like a broken record
but for whatever reason I can't seem to get
a basic point across that ***we do not have
system of mob rule***. If we did, Zimmerman
would have already been lynched without due
process long ago. Would that be less of an
outrage?<br>
> <br>
> -Scott<br>
> <br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:siyocreo@live.com">siyocreo@live.com</a><br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700<br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin
rally?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Visionaires, <br>
> <br>
> I've been out of town for two weeks so
I don't know if there's a rally or anything
scheduled on the Palouse in support of the
Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage
at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
Friday at Friendship Square. Please either
inform me of something previously planned,
or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak
and I know others of you would, too.<br>
> <br>
> This saddens and angers me beyond
measure. We have to speak out.<br>
> <br>
> Love,<br>
> Keely<br>
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> From: Paul Rumelhart
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> To: Keely Emerine-Mix
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> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon
Martin rally?<br>
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> Keely,<br>
> <br>
> Did you look at the evidence?? I don't
see how the jury could have done any
differently.? Zimmerman was using the
"self-defense" defense, and there was enough
evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt
(his injuries, the witness who saw the guy
in the white sweater beating on the guy in
the red sweater, the inability to determine
who was shouting for help).? According to
Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they
fought for it and Zimmerman ended up
shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin
isn't around to give his side of events
(conveniently, I know) and since there is no
evidence to disprove this, they pretty much
had to acquit.? In my opinion, of course.?
To prove second degree murder, they would
have to disprove the self-defense defense
and show that he was unhinged enough to take
this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I
haven't seen any evidence of that, either.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The media has worked hard to make this
about race, but there was no indication I
saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.?
If anything, Martin was the one framing
everything by race.? NBC had to resort to
editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like
it was racially motivated, but the real
9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at
least what I've heard of it).? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> If you want to get out there and
protest something, I recommend protesting
what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in
an attempt to ignite racial tensions.? Or
protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or
protest the drone strikes or the secret
courts or the secret reasoning for gathering
information on everyone that can't be
revealed.? Or protest how the US is going
after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning
house.? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Don't be distracted by this media
circus.<br>
> <br>
> Paul<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Keely Emerine-Mix
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> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM<br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin
rally?<br>
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> Visionaires, <br>
> <br>
> I've been out of town for two weeks so
I don't know if there's a rally or anything
scheduled on the Palouse in support of the
Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage
at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either
inform me of something previously planned,
or pass this around.? I'd be willing to
speak and I know others of you would, too.<br>
> <br>
> This saddens and angers me beyond
measure.? We have to speak out.<br>
> <br>
> Love,<br>
> Keely<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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