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It does bug me. And it's pointless for them anyway, since I run
AdBlock Plus and NoScript on Firefox and hence never see the ads
anyway. I also mitigate it by popping my email to my home
machine. I'm sure they scan it coming in, but I doubt they keep a
copy of every email that I delete for very long. It wouldn't make
business sense to have to have that amount of extra storage on
hand. I've been aware of these kinds of things for a long time,
and have in the past brought things like this up on the list. I
figure it's not gotten so bad that I need to go to the trouble of
setting up a mail server and changing every account I've opened on
the net over to it. Not yet, anyway. I'm sure it will get there
someday.<br>
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The fact that corporations do sell my data in certain cases
doesn't mean I approve of it in the slightest.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 07/04/2013 03:12 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Companies having been selling data for eons to
anyone willing to pay for it. And lots of times these companies
will allow you to pay a premium to keep your data more
secure. For instance, for $5 per month, you can get an
unlisted Verizon phone number:<br>
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href="http://hothardware.com/News/Verizon-Claims-5-Monthly-Fee-Necessary-For-Unlisted-Number/"
target="_blank">http://hothardware.com/News/Verizon-Claims-5-Monthly-Fee-Necessary-For-Unlisted-Number/</a><br>
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One question I have for you is that since Yahoo a full month ago
started scanning & analyzing emails for ad targeting, why
aren't you bugged by that? Is it because it's a free service
and if you were concerned about them rooting through your
emails, you'd switch and pay for a premium account that doesn't
do that sort of thing?<br>
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I'll concede that ad targeting is less disconcerting than the
thought of the big, bad, dangerous almighty government tracking
you and the lines for limiting their power are (or will be)
drawn for them by lawmakers and the Constitution (or whatever
tatters are left of it as Sunil points out).<br>
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-Scott<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:33:20 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A quick rant about the term
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It's OK if they pay for it, but not if they force them to
give it over? Are you OK with all the companies we do
business with selling all our data to the government, or do
you draw a line somewhere?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 07/04/2013 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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<pre>The term 'metadata' bugs you. What bugs me is that this 'valuable data' is being sucked
up by the NSA 'wholesale' instead of the telcos charging them a pretty penny for it.
The whole mess seems to be creating a lot of bugging.
-Scott
Paul wrote:
As a computer science guy, this bugs me.
I've seen the term "metadata" abused in the news media and online often
in relation to phone data the NSA is sucking up wholesale.
"Metadata", as the media is using the term, *is* data. Things like
phone numbers, dates, times, duration of calls, cell phone tower
identifiers, etc *is* data.
The term "metadata" has a specific meaning, it's data about data. For
example, metadata on the data that Verizon was forced to give over would
look something like this:
Field Data Type Size Comment
Originating Phone Number NUMBER 10
Called Number NUMBER 10
Call Duration NUMBER 4 Length of call in seconds
Date of Call CHAR 10 Date format: MM/DD/YYYY
Time of Call CHAR 12 Time format: HH24:MI:SS.nnn
...
And so on. I couldn't care less if they grabbed the metadata from all
the phone carriers. It would be a bunch of database table descriptions.
Don't kid yourself, what they grabbed from the telcos was actual data,
and valuable data at that.
Paul
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