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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Fleeing to Russia says it all. Very apropos for those of his ilk. Good riddance.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: thansen@moscow.com<br>Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:58:05 -0700<br>To: rforce2003@yahoo.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snowden arrives in Moscow (the one in Russia)<br><br><div>" . . . disappear into the secret court system" ? ? ?</div><div><br></div><div>Care to elaborate?</div><div><br></div><div>Virtually every media source in the world is scouring over every tidbit/utterance related to Snowden.</div><div><br></div><div>The likelihood of Snowden "disappearing into the secret court system" is far beyond any remote possibility.</div><div><br></div><div>The worm is a coward!</div><div><br></div><div>If, while in uniform, I shared information with a classification as low as FOUO (For Official Use Only), I would rightfully be subject to disciplinary action. </div><div><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span style=""><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jun 23, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Ron Force <<a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">rforce2003@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>The problem with "fighting the charges" is that he could disappear into the secret court system that seems to have grown up in the US. As one columnist pointed out this morning, we can't have an informed debate on the appropriateness of government actions if those actions are hidden behind the "state secrets" wall.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#.UcdPevnVArU" target="_blank">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#.UcdPevnVArU</a><br></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);padding-left:5px;"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>; Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:20 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Snowden arrives in Moscow (the one in Russia)<br> </font> </div> <div class="ecxy_msg_container"><br><div id="ecxyiv2850979781"><style><!--
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--></style><div dir="LTR" class="ecxyiv2850979781iw_mail"><div>I agree. If he was a true patriot he would fight any charge in the US and take what ever punishment was handed out.</div><div> </div><div>Roger<br></div><div class="ecxyiv2850979781signature"></div><br><blockquote style="padding-left:1em;font-family:tahoma, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-left-color:blue;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;" dir="LTR" class="ecxyiv2850979781reply_block"><hr size="1">-----Original Message-----<br>From: "Tom Hansen" <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>To: "Moscow Vision 2020"
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Date: 06/23/13 07:08<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Snowden arrives in Moscow (the one in Russia)<br><br>
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<div style="">If Snowden really does consider himself to be a whistle-blower with a cause, why isn't he proclaiming that cause from within the Nifty Fifty (USA) instead of from under a rock, as he is doing?</div>
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<div style="">Courtesy of CNN at:</div>
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<div style=""><h1 style="padding:0px;border:0px currentcolor;width:600px;text-align:left;line-height:33px;font-family:arial;font-size:30px;vertical-align:baseline;">WikiLeaks: Snowden arrives in Moscow</h1></div>
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<div style=""><span style=""><b>(CNN)</b><span style="text-align:left;"> -- The global cat-and-mouse hunt for Edward Snowden took a dramatic turn Sunday when the man wanted on U.S. espionage charges fled Hong Kong and reportedly arrived in Russia.</span></span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">WikiLeaks said in a Twitter post Sunday that Snowden had touched down in Moscow. But the organization, which facilitates the publication of classified information, did not disclose what country would be his final destination.</span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">Snowden, who leaked top-secret details about U.S. surveillance programs, left Hong Kong on Sunday "through a lawful and normal channel," the Hong Kong government said.</span></div>
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<div style=""><span style=""><span style="text-align:left;">He took off with the help of WikiLeaks, which assisted with Snowden's "political asylum in a democratic country, travel papers (and) safe exit from Hong Kong," </span><a rel="nofollow" style="padding:0px;border:0px currentColor;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;" target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/348724514135347200">the group said on Twitter</a><span style="text-align:left;">.</span></span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">Baltasar Garzon, a former Spanish judge and the organization's legal director, said in a statement Sunday that the treatment of Snowden has been "an assault against the people."</span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">"The WikiLeaks legal team and I are interested in preserving Mr. Snowden's rights and protecting him as a person," he said.</span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">Snowden took off not long after the United States asked Hong Kong to extradite the former National Security Agency contractor.</span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">In a statement Sunday, Justice Department spokeswoman Nanda Chitre said Hong Kong authorities had informed U.S. officials of Snowden's departure.</span></div>
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<div style=""><span style="text-align:left;">"We will continue to discuss this matter with Hong Kong and pursue relevant law enforcement cooperation with other countries where Mr. Snowden may be attempting to travel," she said.</span></div>
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<div style=""><b>Hong Kong: Extradition request didn't comply with requirements</b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">The U.S. government had also asked Hong Kong to issue a provisional arrest warrant for Snowden, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region said in a statement.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">But HKSAR officials said there were problems with the request.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">"Since the documents provided by the U.S. government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR government has requested the U.S. government to provide additional information," Hong Kong officials said.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">Because Hong Kong didn't have enough information, "there is no legal basis to restrict Mr. Snowden from leaving Hong Kong," the government said.</span></b></div>
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<div><span style=""><span style="text-align:left;">Hong Kong's lack of intervention came after Snowden told the Souh China Morning Post that U.S. intelligence agents have been hacking computer networks in Hong Kong </span><span style="text-align:left;">and mainland China for years.</span></span></div>
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<div><span style="text-align:left;">Hong Kong said it wanted to have some words with the United States about that.</span></div>
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<div><span style="text-align:left;">"The HKSAR government has formally written to the U.S. government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by U.S. government agencies," Hong Kong officials said in the same statement. "The HKSAR government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."</span></div>
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<div><b>The charges</b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">U.S. federal prosecutors have charged Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information, and willful communication of classified communications intelligence to an unauthorized person.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">The latter two allegations amount to espionage under the federal Espionage Act.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">News of Snowden's departure followed a day of intense speculation over whether Hong Kong would extradite him to the United States.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">Hong Kong Executive Council member Regina Ip said authorities could arrest Snowden if his actions qualify as criminal under Hong Kong law, China's state-run Xinhua news agency reported earlier Sunday. The executive council decides on policy matters for Hong Kong, a special administrative region of China.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-weight:normal;">But if the charges against him were deemed to be political in nature, the 30-year-old would not be extradited, Ip told Xinhua.</span></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;">How the case unfolded</strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">Snowden has admitted in interviews he was the source behind the leaking of classified documents about the NSA'sspan> surveillance programs. Those leaks were the basis of reports in Britain's Guardian newspaper and The Washington Post this month. The Guardian revealed Snowden's identify at his request.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">The documents revealed the existence of programs that collect records of domestic telephone calls in the United States and monitor the Internet activity of overseas residents.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">The revelation of the leaks rocked the Obama administration and U.S. intelligence community, raising questions about secret operations of the NSA and whether the agency was infringing on American civil liberties.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">President Barack Obama, top legislators and national security officials defend the surveillance programs as necessary to combat terrorism and argue that some privacy must be sacrificed in a balanced approach.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">They say the law allows collection of metadata, such as the time and numbers of phone calls, and that a special federal court must approve accessing the content -- listening to the call itself</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">In interviews this month, Snowden said he fled with the classified documents after taking a leave of absence from his job as an intelligence analyst for NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. The company has since fired him.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">A series of blog posts this week purportedly by Snowden said he leaked classified details about U.S. surveillance programs because Obama worsened "abusive" practices, instead of curtailing them as he promised as a candidate.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div><b><strong style="padding:0px;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">Snowden said that he had to get out of the United States before the leaks were published by the Guardian and The Washington Post to avoid being targeted by the government.</span></strong></b></div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
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