<div dir="ltr">Is the point that it might take an extra generation for the polar ice caps to melt? When you are talking about climate change I fail to see how "less dire" isn't still DIRE.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">The observations I'm talking about are temperature measurements.  They tend to be much less dire than the predictions.  Here is one example: <a href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations-for-tropical-tropospheric-temperature/" target="_blank">http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations-for-tropical-tropospheric-temperature/</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Paul<br></font></span><div class="hm HOEnZb"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  </div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> </div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div class="hm HOEnZb"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br>
 <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Ted Moffett
 <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>>; Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:52 PM<br>
 <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] The scientific debate on climate change: 67 comments<br> </font> </div></div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div><div>Observations? Skeptic observations? What is the observable data you allude to?</div>
<div><br>On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
That's cute.  If you erased the words "SKEPTIC MODELS" and replaced them with "OBSERVATIONS" and then drew, say, the Incredible Hulk in the
 other corner it might be a funnier cartoon.  Or maybe Iron Man, or even the boxing kangaroo from the old bugs bunny cartoons.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
 <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Ted Moffett <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br>
 <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 18,
 2013 3:24 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] The scientific debate on climate change: 67 comments<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><h3><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=15488" target="_blank">http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=15488</a><br>
</h3><h3><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/05/the-scientific-debate-on-climate-change/" title="Permanent Link to The scientific debate on climate change" target="_blank">The scientific debate on climate change</a></h3>


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