<div dir="ltr"><div><div>What are the websites where you are finding this "information"? Websites like "American Thinker," where you can read other articles like one which opens with this quote: "<span class="">Leftists seem to harbor a profound ignorance
of geography, history, and other hard facts which anyone involved in
politics ought to know. How exactly do they get away with it?" Nothing biased about that statement!<br><br></span></div><span class="">On the Spencer website there are responses to the article that make some interesting points including one person who states that the graphs (models vs. empirical data) are "broadly consistent" since they are in the same graph quadrant. Meaning the empirical data suggests global warming, just not at the rate that the models suggest.<br>
<br></span></div><span class="">Here is another interesting commentary on these studies: <a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/01/climate-science-once-again-twisted-beyond-recog/185135">http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/01/climate-science-once-again-twisted-beyond-recog/185135</a><br>
</span><div><span class=""><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">The point is that the climate models are predictions, and those predictions are not turning out well in precise areas, and that means they have a problem. They should be comparing the predicted data with the observed data and trying to find out exactly where they are wrong. Are they inflating the positive feedback values for clouds? Are they not putting enough emphasis on solar changes? Are they not taking ENSO into account, are they not taking the jet stream into account? Whatever the problem is, if they want skeptics to accept their climate models as accurate, they have to show how well they predict future data. This isn't some kind of egregious task set before them, it's basic science. Their climate models are in effect hypotheses, and the observations will either validate those
hypotheses or fail them.<br><br>So why, when you do a google search for climate models vs. observations, do you turn up mostly Spencer and Curry's work, but not that of more mainstream climate scientists?<br><br>Paul<br>
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<font face="Arial"><div class="im"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>>; Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:18 AM<div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] The scientific debate on climate change: 67 comments<br>
</div></div></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Is the point that it might take an extra generation for the polar ice caps to melt? When you are talking about climate change I fail to see how "less dire" isn't still DIRE.<br>
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<br><br><div>On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">The observations I'm talking about are temperature measurements. They tend to be much less dire than the predictions. Here is one example: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations-for-tropical-tropospheric-temperature/" target="_blank">http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations-for-tropical-tropospheric-temperature/</a><span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Paul<br></font></span><div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> </div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div> </div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Ted Moffett
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>>; Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:52 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] The scientific debate on climate change: 67 comments<br> </font> </div></div><div><div> <div><br><div><div><div>Observations? Skeptic observations? What is the observable data you allude to?</div>
<div><br>On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
That's cute. If you erased the words "SKEPTIC MODELS" and replaced them with "OBSERVATIONS" and then drew, say, the Incredible Hulk in the
other corner it might be a funnier cartoon. Or maybe Iron Man, or even the boxing kangaroo from the old bugs bunny cartoons.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Ted Moffett <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 18,
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