<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It is a conundrum no doubt. Like Sue I oppose looking to the Bible for some quick fix, a list of dos and don'ts.</div><div><br></div><div>Yet I wonder if your view, Wayne, is any less of a quick fix. You simply deny precisely what a lot of theists want: God, meaning, transcendental truth. But with that comes the denial of other things that even the non-theists want to keep: values, ethics, free will. Right?</div><div><br>On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Donovan writes:<br><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">"</span><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">The Bible isn't really about social justice anyway. It is about
saving your soul. It didn't condemn ownership of people, abuse of
children, multiple spouses, or for the rights of all men and women."</span><br><br></span></div><span>So is that what heaven is going to be like? Slavery, child abuse, continued homophobia, sexism, racism, theocracy, etc. Why would you want to have your soul saved so that you could see and experience those things for an eternity?<br>
<br>w.<br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sue Hovey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target="_blank">suehovey@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I think you are correct that nothing in the bible prohibits marriage
between homosexual persons. The passages in Romans and Leviticus speak
only of homosexual acts. I think it’s interesting, though, that you say
the bible is only about saving your soul. When one looks at the many
passages in the bible that define behavior as right or wrong, they extend way
beyond soul saving. If one distilled the bible into just those verses that
describe the saving of a person’s soul, you could take, “Believe on the Lord
Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved,” and put it on a single sheet.
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<div>Please don’t infer from what I am saying here that I oppose gay
marriage. I don’t. What I oppose is the use of bible
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:51 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target="_blank">Sue Hovey</a> ; <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joe
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<div><span>I've never seen anything in the Bible condemning or supporting same
sex marriage. Never been shown anything of the sort. The Bible isn't really
about social justice anyway. It is about saving your soul. It didn't condemn
ownership of people, abuse of children, multiple spouses, or for the rights of
all men and women. </span></div>
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<div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
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</div><font face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> Sue Hovey
<<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target="_blank">suehovey@moscow.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b>
Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b> Donovan Arnold
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<div>Reasonable....then whatever verse from the Bible one needs, it becomes the
evidence, just as a news report might.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 07, 2013 7:57 PM</div>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
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<div>This is why I view fundamentalism more as a political view than a religious
view. </div>
<div><u></u>On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:40 PM, "Sue Hovey" <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">suehovey@moscow.com</a>>
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<div>While there are only a couple of verses in both the OT & NT that
would condemn homosexual marriage, there is also very little that condemns a
woman’s freedom to choose abortion, yet folks latch onto what they want and
ignore that which doesn’t fit their religious
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 07, 2013 6:50 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>
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<div dir="ltr">Now only if reason, facts, equality, and biblical quotes
convinced ignorant bigots we would have something to change their minds.
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