<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>In many respects it seems as if the terrorists have won. Their goal was to instill fear right? Well the government sure seems afraid.</div><div><br>On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>@Joe,<br><br></div>Of course the whole issue and what it indicates and entails is much more complicated. Surveillance of the kind at issue without responsible and accountable judicial oversight plus secrecy laws preventing the abuses of this surveillance being examined among other things such as a really, really contorted interpretation of the Fourth Amendment indicates gross arrogance of all those willingly participating.<br>
<br></div>Most of us understand what is at stake, but the disallowing of judicial oversight combined with targeting millions and millions for whom there is not probable cause or even articulatable suspicion seems an unwarranted intrusion into personal liberty.<br>
<br></div>No one with mental facilities intact would accuse me of being a Tea Party member. But long experience has shown me that there are LE personnel and similar types inand outside of government whose honesty, integrity, and objectively do no meet the minimum standard. Hence, I do not trust what they say about what data is being collected, how it is being used, or how safe it is from hacking, intentional leaks, or other noxious uses. I wonder if the President or the legislature is being told the whole truth.<br>
<br></div>Arrogance and the misuse/overuse of power by some that think they know best is at the root of the problem and is at the root of totalitarianism.<br><br></div>w.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>Is that it Wayne? The whole thing makes me wonder if it is the military or the people running our government.</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div>The acquisition of power does horrible things to many people. Even on the local level.<br><br></div>w.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">It's wrong every time, and both parties support it when their member is doing it. So it never changes, and the state grabs more and more power.<br><br>Why should we believe Obama when he says they're not listening to conversations? He promised the most transparent administration, and instead has prosecuted more people under the Espionage Act than all other previous administrations before him. <br>
<br>He hasn't prosecuted anyone for torture, but he'll go after anyone who provides information about the torture program. And he's got his own rendition program.<br><br>Hope and change indeed.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Sunil<br></font></span><div><br></div><div><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:12:02 -0600<br>CC: <a href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Apples to oranges comparison. That was when a Republican occupied the White House. Hence no outrage from conservatives back then vs now.<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:01:31 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: [Vision2020] NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls<br><br><div>Courtesy of the <b>May 11, 2006</b> edition of USA Today at:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm" target="_blank">http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>--------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:left;line-height:32px;letter-spacing:-1px;font-size:30px;font-family:Arial,Helvetical,sans-serif">NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls</span></div>
<div style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><span style="text-align:-webkit-left;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><span style="text-align:-webkit-left;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.</span></div>
<div style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><span style="text-align:-webkit-left;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><span style="text-align:left;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.</span></div>
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<tbody><tr><td colspan="2" valign="top"><span style="font-weight:bold;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font face="Helvetica"><img style="min-height:10px;width:10px" height="10" width="10" src="cid:"> REACTION</font></span></td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" valign="top"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><img height="15" width="1" src="cid:"></span></font></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="text-align:left"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><strong>From the White House:</strong> <br>
<br>The White House defended its overall eavesdropping program and said no domestic surveillance is conducted without court approval. <br><br> ''The intelligence activities undertaken by the United States government are lawful, necessary and required to protect Americans from terrorist attacks,'' said Dana Perino, the deputy White House press secretary, who added that appropriate members of Congress have been briefed on intelligence activities.</span></font></td>
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