<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I'm still puzzled why a judge ruled that is was OK not to read the bomber his Miranda rights. This could undo the whole case against him. This is a real question in this case since apparently information was elicited without the warning.<br>
<br></div><div>Is Gary's question hypothetical? Did someone actually refuse to allow a search? Either way, it is an important question. I am not a criminal and do not indulge in criminal activities. None-the-less, absent an extreme, extreme case, I would never consent to a warrantless search. I have a lot of private business that is no one else's save the transacting parties. Police discretion is not perfect, and in Idaho, very much less than perfect.<br>
</div><div><br></div>There is case law on searches during emergencies, but I've forgotten what it is. I don't have Lexus/Nexus, so I can't look it up easily.<br><br></div>w.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Tom,<br><br>You can give up your rights whenever you want. The real question is, Do you think what the police did was legal? What should have happened to a person who said, No, get a warrant?<br><br>Sunil<br>
<br><div><div></div><hr>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston<br>
</div>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:37:57 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>My argument EXACTLY, Sunil.</div><div><br></div>
<div>I am arguing IN FAVOR of the door-to-door searches by law enorcement agancies.</div><div><br></div><div>As it so proudly states on the side of each and every LAPD patrol car . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"To Protect and to Serve"</div>
<div><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br>On Apr 24, 2013, at 6:30 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Tom,<br><br>You could be holding 20 pounds of heroin and a collection of human heads. And we all know you have a shotgun, The police should be able to search your place without a warrant.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
<div><div></div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:06:03 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston<br><br><div><span>And if </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was in one of those houses . . . holding a couple (or family) hostage . . . with a gun . . .</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Should the police withheld going door-to-door because they (the police) did not have a search warrant for each and every residence in Watertown?</span><br>
<br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br>On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:31 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri">I wonder what the outcome would have been had a
citizen replied with what should be the automatic response of "do you have a
warrant?"</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="rforce2003@yahoo.com" href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Ron Force</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:57 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Moscow Vision2020</a> </div>
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<div><span>Here's another:</span></div>
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<div>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA<br>
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Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:22
PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020]
Searching house by house in Boston<br></font></div>
<div><br>Here is a news clip showing reactions to the
police going door-to-door <br>in SWAT teams evicting the residents and
searching the houses. People <br>who know me can assume that I'm
outraged by this. Shut down an entire <br>city for two guys? Armed SWAT
team members pointing their guns at your <br>family? 9,000 cops in SWAT
gear and loaded for bear? Of course I'm <br>outraged.<br><br>But what
gets me is how the people just shrug it off. "They are doing <br>the
right thing." "They apologized for the inconvenience." "I'm so <br>happy
they are doing their jobs." How happy would you be if an accident
<br>happened and they shot your son?<br><br>Inconceivable.<br><br>Here is the
video clip: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1-ZUN3Li0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1-ZUN3Li0</a><br><br>Thoughts?
Is this really OK? Doesn't it remind you of "papers, please" <br>and all
the other dictatorial trappings we previously only ever saw in
<br>movies?<br><br>Is this the new
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