<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">I'm berating you all for being unwelcoming. I'm not trying to defend the views of someone I've only met tangentially on the list and have only seen a video he made once a long time ago, a video I no longer have access to. I remember being impressed by a poetic video that I found interesting and thought-provoking at the time. I don't remember enough of the video now to proclaim n detail exactly which statements I found interesting, citing quotes from a transcript. My well thought out position is that you all blew a chance to be nice to someone who just joined the list. Maybe the next poor bastard that tries to join will have better luck.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Art Deco <art.deco.studios@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:18 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .<br> </font> </div> <br>
<meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv339059608"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>@Paul,<br><br></div>This is exactly the kind of response that you typically make when you are on the losing ending of an argument: repeat in some way what you said before without adding reasons and/or ignoring the point made by some one else.<br>
<br></div>Saundra asked you in response to one of your statements:<br><br><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);">"Do
tell what you find so “very interesting” and “thought-provoking” about
what he has to say! I must have missed that between his City Council
appearances, the Gresham Bouma campaign ad disguised as a newspaper, and
his Internet blogs and postings ... </span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);">By
all means, Paul, if I’ve missed something “very interesting” and
“thought-provoking,” which it sounds like you think I have, please do
share what it is."<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;"><font><font>If what you have said above about engaging in discussion (<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);">... </span></font></font></span><span style="font-size:11pt;"><font><font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);">reply with well thought out positions,..</span><font>) </font>isn't total</font> <font>hypocritical</font> bullshit posturing, then respond to and answer exactly what Ms Lund has asked you to, otherwise be thought of as something a chicken does after eating<font> and a phony to boot.</font><br>
<br></font></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;"><font><font>w.</font><br></font></span><div><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><font><br>
<br></font><br></span></div></div><div class="yiv339059608gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv339059608gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv339059608gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div><span></span></div><div><div>FYI, Visionaires . . .</div><div><br></div><div>Judd Wilson sits on the city's Fair and Affordable Housing Committee.</div>
<div><br></div><div><img alt="image.jpeg" height="260" width="575"></div><div><br></div><div>Kinda gives ya a warm fuzzie, huh?</div><div class="yiv339059608im"><div><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
<div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div>http://www.MoscowCares.com</div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium;">
<span style="font-size:medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div>
</div><div><div class="yiv339059608h5"><div><br>On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;">
I give up. Enjoy your little echo chamber, because that's all it will ever be.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
<div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Saundra Lund <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> 'Paul Rumelhart' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>; 'Rosemary Huskey' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>>; 'Tom Hansen' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>; 'Moscow Vision 2020' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 3, 2013 12:14 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] Who said . . .<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div><div><div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Gosh, Paul, what’s the matter? You don’t like that Tom found Judd Wilson’s own words to tell us more about the kind of fellow he really is? What a clever boots Wilson is to provide us here on the Viz with such an impeccably white-washed introductory screed full of back-handed insults and incivility all the while claiming to be a most civil, respectful, charming fella! Wayne Fox’s response was spot on, IMO.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Do tell what you find so “very
interesting” and “thought-provoking” about what he has to say! I must have missed that between his City Council appearances, the Gresham Bouma campaign ad disguised as a newspaper, and his Internet blogs and postings. As I think I mentioned at the time, I found his attempt to squelch the Constitutionally guaranteed free speech of those with whom he disagrees morally repugnant. I also think that stunt showed him for the theocracy-craving hypocrite he is, and nothing in his sunny little introduction here changes that.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Do you think homosexuality is unnatural, unhealthy, morally wrong, and corrosive to society, as does Judd
Wilson? Do you think that employment and housing discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation are legitimate, as does Judd Wilson? Do you think the Bible and any one interpretation of it should be the rule of the land, the way Judd Wilson does?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">By all means, Paul, if I’ve missed something “very interesting” and “thought-provoking,” which it sounds like you think I have, please do share what it is. Personally, I’ve decided that for myself, life is too short and I’m less willing to suffer lightly wolves in sheep clothing than I was 20 years ago.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Saundra</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Moscow, ID</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">All the beautiful sentiments in the world weigh less than a single lovely action.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">~ James Russell Lowell</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rosemary Huskey; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Moscow Vision 2020'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .</span></div></div></div><div> </div><div>
<div style="background:white;"><span style="">You know, we on this list can choose to go about this a couple of different ways.
We can welcome him to the list, engage him in polite discourse, think about what he says and reply with well thought out positions, and generally treat him as we would like to be treated if we ever wandered onto a forum where the tables were turned. Or we could simply let our prejudices judge him before he even gets a chance to (figuratively) open his mouth on this list.<br>
<br>I didn't realize until you all started ridiculing him that he was the fellow I saw a DVD of one day with a friend of mine. While I didn't agree with his general outlook, I did find that he had some very interesting and thought-provoking things to say. I'm hoping he endures the feces that I suspect will continue to be thrown at him for a long time to come, and doesn't get discouraged and stays on this list.<br>
<br>Paul</span></div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></span></div><div style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Rosemary Huskey <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">><br>
<b>To:</b> 'Tom Hansen' <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">thansen@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">>; 'Moscow Vision 2020' <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:29 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div><div><div><div style="background:white;">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">You know what is really precious about this fellow? It’s his total lack of self awareness. Just below and to the left of the bolded caps in the masthead </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">THE OFFICAL WEBSITE OF JUDD WILSON</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> there are tiny little faded blue letters (maybe a size 4 font.
I can barely read are the words “Faith, Hope and Love.” This is too delicious, and ironic for words.</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Rose Huskey</span><span style=""></span></div>
</div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<div><div style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> [</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Who said . . .</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div>
</div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">"The fact that there are actually good things that white American boys do, or that there are evil things that non-white, non-American, non-males do, does not fit into their worldview. Therefore those actual facts are either never reported, or if reported, mixed in with so much disinformation that the facts are barely recognizable, i.e., any crime reports involving 'teens” or “youths.'</span></div>
</div></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">And what happens when white
American boys actually do commit evil acts, such as Adam Lanza’s senseless murders in Newtown, Conn.? The “reporters” don’t bother to report on the reasons why that boy, or his counterparts in Aurora, or Columbine and elsewhere, have become murderers. They automatically forget that since the 1960s this country has turned its founding stock — Christian white men and their families — into the targets of every slander, lie, and perversion known to man."</span></div>
</div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Hint: The author of this statement is a member of Vision 2020.</span></div></div>
</div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Guesses?</span></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;">
<span style="">Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div>
</div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;">
<span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Tom Hansen</span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div></div>
<div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">"</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">There's room at the top they are telling you still </span><span style=""></span></div>
</div></div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill <br>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span><span style=""></span></div></div>
</div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">- John Lennon</span></div></div><div><div>
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