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Yes, I am aware that bad things do, in fact, happen in the world.
I have no idea what the Center for Disease Control considers an
infant, age-wise. I guess we'll find out in a few years when they
have analyzed the statistics for 2013. Not surprisingly, this
data point that happened "last Thursday" wasn't included in the
CDC mortality statistics for 2010.<br>
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Do any of you actually read my posts?<br>
<br>
Nice political shot, though.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 03/23/2013 02:49 PM, Nicholas Gier wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAH=vCc4Y_um35crwk4Wao2JcsFFA4wS4Eat4j-CcZ3yxW0Xrew@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Paul,
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<div>Do you consider a 10-month-old an infant? Then here is your
statistic:</div>
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style="line-height:150%;vertical-align:baseline;border:none;padding:0in;background-repeat:initial
initial"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#354d7d;letter-spacing:-.6pt">Reports:
Father accidentally shoots, kills
10-month-old son in front of family</span></b></p>
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style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><b><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">By
John Newland, Staff Writer, NBC News</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">A
10-month-old boy was shot and killed by his father Thursday
in
an apparent accident at a Nashville, Tenn., hotel, local
media reported.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Two
police detectives from the Hermitage Precinct were close to
the hotel when the call went out and made it to the scene
within about three
minutes but were unable to resuscitate the child, NBC
affiliate <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wsmv.com/story/21647213/10-month-old-baby-dies-after-being-shot"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#336699;text-decoration:none">WSMV-TV
Channel 4</span></a> reported.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">The
child's mother Jacquelin Bass, 28, and the couple's other
sons, aged 3 and 2, were in the room when the gun went off,
the station said.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">The
baby was shot once in the chest as his father, Larry Bass,
30, handled the semi-automatic handgun, the <a
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href="http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130314/NEWS03/130314025/Shooting-hotel-kills-10-month-old-boy?nclick_check=1"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#336699;text-decoration:none">Nashville
Tennessean</span></a> reported.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">NBCNews
was unable to independently confirm the accounts early
Friday.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Both
news outlets reported that the family, from Texas, was at
the Extended Stay America hotel near Nashville International
Airport when the
incident happened. Larry Bass was in town to work on
construction of the Music
City Center, a 1.2-million-square foot convention center.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">The
newspaper said the family had checked in on Jan. 29.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Ten-month-old
Adam Bass would have had turned 1 in May, the
Tennessean reported, quoting police spokesman Don Aaron as
saying that the
family was "very, very distraught over what's happened" and
that
"the police department does not believe this was an
intentional act."</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Attempts
to reach the police department were unsuccessful early
Friday. WSMV said a police investigation was continuing.</span></p>
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<div> The article I was responding to was talking about
gun safety, so I was looking at gun accident statistics
only. Since the CDC is the go-to place for death
statistics, I went there. Unfortunately, they only have
data through 2010, with some 2011 non-official data, but
no 2011 data on gun accidents that I could find, let
alone data from 2012 and beyond.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
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Paul</font></span>
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On 03/23/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div>Pick a source, Mr. Rumelhart. ANY source.
They are all reporting gun deaths in excess of
2,000 since Newtown.</div>
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target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+deaths+since+sandy+hook&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#q=gun+deaths+since+sandy+hook&hl=en&client=safari&ei=a-RNUeDmNYHeiALVoIGQDQ&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.44158598,d.cGE&fp=c1cc9d4856fbbb93&biw=1024&bih=644</a></span></div>
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<div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have
with your pants on)</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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<div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's
room at the top they are telling you still</span><span
style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you
must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br
style="font-size:medium">
<span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be
like the folks on the hill."</span></div>
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<div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br>
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On Mar 23, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Gun safety is, perhaps, a place where a lot of
people on this list could potentially agree on
this debate (at least to some degree). I
think using RFID chips to enable guns to fire
is just asking for a mis-fire or non-fire of
the gun just when you need it most, though.
If we want to child-proof anything, I'd
suggest child-proofing gun cases. I'd like to
find some incentive to ensure that people are
storing their guns properly, but the only
things I can think of that would help is more
safety training and laws that affect the gun
owner if a death occurs as a result of a
firearm discharging accidentally. I'm open to
suggestions.<br>
<br>
I took a quick look at the statistics for gun
accidents, since the article only describes
them as having "new examples almost every
day". According to the CDC, in 2010 (under
"Nontransport accidents"), "Accidental
discharge of firearms" accounted for 606
deaths. I haven't found a breakdown by
child/adult, but I'll keep looking. The only
other age-related statistic I have found so
far is that there were 0 infant mortality
deaths due to gun accidents.<br>
<br>
In case you're curious, here is the number of
deaths for each non-transport accident type,
from the "2010 Mortality Multiple Cause Micro
Data Files" PDF (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf</a>):<br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Falls
26,009<br>
Accidental discharge of firearms 606<br>
Accidental drowning 3,782<br>
Accidental exposure to fire 2,782<br>
Accidental poisoning 33,041<br>
Other unspecified 16,678<br>
Total 82,898<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif">Firearm accidents
are the smallest number in that list, but
that doesn't mean we couldn't do more to
reduce that number. What I'd like to know
is why accidental poisoning is so high.
More than 54 times as many deaths by
accidental poisoning as by accidental
discharge of firearms. Looking into it, I
see it consists mainly of drug causes
(91%), including prescription pain
killers, cocaine, and heroin at the top of
the list.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 03/23/2013 05:36 AM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
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<div>March 22, 2013</div>
<h1>Saving Children From Guns</h1>
<h6>By <span><span>JOE NOCERA</span></span></h6>
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<p> For nearly two months, my assistant, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.jennifermascia.com/"
target="_blank">Jennifer Mascia</a>,
and I have been publishing <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/category/gun-report/"
target="_blank">a daily blog</a> in
which we aggregate articles about
shootings from the previous day. Of all
the stories we link to, the ones I find
hardest to read are those about young
children who accidentally shoot
themselves or another child. They just
break my heart. Yet Jennifer and I find
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=child+shoots&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=child+shoots&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=xgX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&psj=1&ei=m-xMUYWkAdSp4AOFzYDYCg&ved=0CA0Q_AUoBA&fp=1&biw=1730&bih=774&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=KPZMUeOdKafE4APM9IHgCw"
target="_blank">new examples almost
every day</a>. </p>
<p> Partly, I react by thinking, “How can
anyone be so stupid as to leave a loaded
gun within reach of a small child?” But
I also have another reaction. In 1970,
Congress passed a law that resulted in
childproofing medicine bottles. The
Consumer Product Safety Commission
regulates the paint used in children’s
toys. State laws mandate that young
children be required to use car seats. </p>
<p> So why can’t we childproof guns? In an
age of technological wizardry — not to
mention a time of deep sensitivity to
the welfare of children — why can’t we
come up with a technology that would
keep a gun from going off when it is
being held by a child? Or, for that
matter, by a thief using a stolen gun?
Or an angry teenager who is plotting to
use his parents’ arsenal to wreak havoc
in a mall? </p>
<p> It turns out — why is this not a
surprise? — that such technologies
already exist. A German company,
Armartix, will soon be marketing <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gizmag.com/armatrix-wristwatch-safety-system-for-handguns/14044/"
target="_blank">a pistol that uses
radio frequencies</a> that prevent a
gun from being used by anyone except its
owner. At the New Jersey Institute of
Technology, the senior vice president
for research and development, Donald
Sebastian, has long spearheaded an
effort to develop biometrics for “gun
personalization,” as it’s called. Guns
employing this technology fire only when
they recognize the hand of the owner.
There are others who have invented
similar technologies. </p>
<p> Why aren’t <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-shuster/smart-gun-technology_b_2324978.html"
target="_blank">these lifesaving
technologies</a> in widespread use? No
surprise here, either: The usual
irrational opposition from the National
Rifle Association and gun absolutists,
who claim, absurdly, that a gun that
only can be fired by its owner somehow
violates the Second Amendment. Pro-gun
bloggers were furious when they saw
James Bond, in “Skyfall,” proudly
showing off <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/11/skyfall_someone_should_make_james_bond_s_biometric_walther_ppk_s_gun.html"
target="_blank">his new biometrically
protected weapon</a>. They were
convinced it was a Hollywood plot to
undermine their rights. </p>
<p> Yet there is reason for at least some
hope that the day when these
technologies are in widespread use will
soon be here. Last week, there were two
important meetings about gun
personalization technology. On March 13,
in Washington, Attorney General Eric
Holder Jr. met with several dozen
advocates, including Sebastian and
Stephen Teret, the co-director of the
Center for Law and the Public Health at
Johns Hopkins University. The purpose of
the meeting was to get Holder up to
speed on the technologies so he could
make recommendations to President Obama.
</p>
<p> The following day, in San Francisco, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sandyhookpromise.org/"
target="_blank">Sandy Hook Promise</a>,
an organization founded by citizens of
Newtown, Conn., <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://newtownbee.com/news/news/0001/11/30/sandy-hook-promise-launches-innovation-initiative/10397"
target="_blank">publicly launched</a>
its “innovation initiative” in
collaboration with some Silicon Valley
venture capitalists and entrepreneurs.
One of the leaders in the effort is the
venture capitalist Ron Conway, who
coincidentally threw a Christmas party
on the day of the Newtown massacre.
Gabrielle Giffords was among those who
attended. Like so many others, Conway
decided he had to do something about
guns after Newtown. </p>
<p> The innovation initiative, which will
make grants, and even award prize money
for good ideas, includes an emphasis on
gun personalization technology. A member
of the group, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lagunabeachindependent.com/2012/07/26/guest-column-mirror-america/"
target="_blank">Alan Boinus</a>, who
applied for a patent on a biometric
technology back in 1994, has founded a
company, Allied Biometrics, that is
devoted to commercializing biometric gun
technology. He has already begun a
collaboration with Sebastian in New
Jersey. </p>
<p> In classic Silicon Valley fashion,
Boinus told me that the government has
been hopeless, and that innovation and
the market itself would solve the
problem. “The market will prove this
out,” he said. “People want to be
responsible. People want safety.” </p>
<p> I agree with him that Congress has
been hopeless and then some, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/03/19/feinstein-assault-weapons-ban-reid-senate-bill/2000119/"
target="_blank">unable to even work up
the courage</a> to vote on an assault
weapons ban for fear of offending gun
owners. But I’m not convinced that the
market alone can create mass acceptance
of this technology. It took years, after
all, for Congress to overcome the car
industry’s resistance to air bags,
ultimately requiring a law that made air
bags mandatory. </p>
<p> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html"
target="_blank">Thousands of lives</a>
could be saved each year if gun
personalization technology became the
law of the land. In mid-April,
Representative John Tierney, a
Massachusetts Democrat, plans to
introduce a House bill requiring that
all guns include personalization
technology within two years. </p>
<p> Congress once cared enough about the
safety of its citizens to pass laws
about air bags and childproof bottles.
We’ll soon find out if it still cares
enough about the safety of its
constituents to make childproofing guns
the law of the land. It should. </p>
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