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      Yes, I am aware that bad things do, in fact, happen in the world. 
      I have no idea what the Center for Disease Control considers an
      infant, age-wise.  I guess we'll find out in a few years when they
      have analyzed the statistics for 2013.  Not surprisingly, this
      data point that happened "last Thursday" wasn't included in the
      CDC mortality statistics for 2010.<br>
      <br>
      Do any of you actually read my posts?<br>
      <br>
      Nice political shot, though.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      On 03/23/2013 02:49 PM, Nicholas Gier wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAH=vCc4Y_um35crwk4Wao2JcsFFA4wS4Eat4j-CcZ3yxW0Xrew@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Hi Paul,
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      <div>Do you consider a 10-month-old an infant?  Then here is your
        statistic:</div>
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            initial"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#354d7d;letter-spacing:-.6pt">Reports:
                Father accidentally shoots, kills
                10-month-old son in front of family</span></b></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><b><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">By
                John Newland, Staff Writer, NBC News</span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">A
            10-month-old boy was shot and killed by his father Thursday
            in
            an apparent accident at a Nashville, Tenn., hotel, local
            media reported.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Two
            police detectives from the Hermitage Precinct were close to
            the hotel when the call went out and made it to the scene
            within about three
            minutes but were unable to resuscitate the child, NBC
            affiliate <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wsmv.com/story/21647213/10-month-old-baby-dies-after-being-shot"
              target="_blank"><span
                style="color:#336699;text-decoration:none">WSMV-TV
                Channel 4</span></a> reported.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">The
            child's mother Jacquelin Bass, 28, and the couple's other
            sons, aged 3 and 2, were in the room when the gun went off,
            the station said.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">The
            baby was shot once in the chest as his father, Larry Bass,
            30, handled the semi-automatic handgun, the <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130314/NEWS03/130314025/Shooting-hotel-kills-10-month-old-boy?nclick_check=1"
              target="_blank"><span
                style="color:#336699;text-decoration:none">Nashville
                Tennessean</span></a> reported.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">NBCNews
            was unable to independently confirm the accounts early
            Friday.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Both
            news outlets reported that the family, from Texas, was at
            the Extended Stay America hotel near Nashville International
            Airport when the
            incident happened. Larry Bass was in town to work on
            construction of the Music
            City Center, a 1.2-million-square foot convention center.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">The
            newspaper said the family had checked in on Jan. 29.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Ten-month-old
            Adam Bass would have had turned 1 in May, the
            Tennessean reported, quoting police spokesman Don Aaron as
            saying that the
            family was "very, very distraught over what's happened" and
            that
            "the police department does not believe this was an
            intentional act."</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="line-height:150%;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333">Attempts
            to reach the police department were unsuccessful early
            Friday. WSMV said a police investigation was continuing.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Georgia","serif""> </span></p>
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              <div> The article I was responding to was talking about
                gun safety, so I was looking at gun accident statistics
                only.  Since the CDC is the go-to place for death
                statistics, I went there.  Unfortunately, they only have
                data through 2010, with some 2011 non-official data, but
                no 2011 data on gun accidents that I could find, let
                alone data from 2012 and beyond.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
                    color="#888888"><br>
                    <br>
                    Paul</font></span>
                <div>
                  <div class="h5"><br>
                    <br>
                    On 03/23/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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                <div class="h5">
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>Pick a source, Mr. Rumelhart.  ANY source.
                       They are all reporting gun deaths in excess of
                      2,000 since Newtown.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><span
                        style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+deaths+since+sandy+hook&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#q=gun+deaths+since+sandy+hook&hl=en&client=safari&ei=a-RNUeDmNYHeiALVoIGQDQ&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.44158598,d.cGE&fp=c1cc9d4856fbbb93&biw=1024&bih=644"
                          target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+deaths+since+sandy+hook&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#q=gun+deaths+since+sandy+hook&hl=en&client=safari&ei=a-RNUeDmNYHeiALVoIGQDQ&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.44158598,d.cGE&fp=c1cc9d4856fbbb93&biw=1024&bih=644</a></span></div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>
                      <div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have
                        with your pants on)</div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.MoscowCares.com"
                          target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
                      <div>  </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                        <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's
                            room at the top they are telling you still</span><span
                            style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
                        <span style="font-size:medium">But first you
                          must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br
                          style="font-size:medium">
                        <span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be
                          like the folks on the hill."</span></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><span><br>
                          </span></font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br>
                          </span></font>
                        <div> </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                      On Mar 23, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
                        target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <br>
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                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          Gun safety is, perhaps, a place where a lot of
                          people on this list could potentially agree on
                          this debate (at least to some degree).  I
                          think using RFID chips to enable guns to fire
                          is just asking for a mis-fire or non-fire of
                          the gun just when you need it most, though. 
                          If we want to child-proof anything, I'd
                          suggest child-proofing gun cases.  I'd like to
                          find some incentive to ensure that people are
                          storing their guns properly, but the only
                          things I can think of that would help is more
                          safety training and laws that affect the gun
                          owner if a death occurs as a result of a
                          firearm discharging accidentally.  I'm open to
                          suggestions.<br>
                          <br>
                          I took a quick look at the statistics for gun
                          accidents, since the article only describes
                          them as having "new examples almost every
                          day".  According to the CDC, in 2010 (under
                          "Nontransport accidents"), "Accidental
                          discharge of firearms" accounted for 606
                          deaths.  I haven't found a breakdown by
                          child/adult, but I'll keep looking.  The only
                          other age-related statistic I have found so
                          far is that there were 0 infant mortality
                          deaths due to gun accidents.<br>
                          <br>
                          In case you're curious, here is the number of
                          deaths for each non-transport accident type,
                          from the "2010 Mortality Multiple Cause Micro
                          Data Files" PDF (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf"
                            target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf</a>):<br>
                          <br>
                          <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Falls                            


                            26,009<br>
                            Accidental discharge of firearms     606<br>
                            Accidental drowning                3,782<br>
                            Accidental exposure to fire        2,782<br>
                            Accidental poisoning              33,041<br>
                            Other unspecified                 16,678<br>
                            Total                             82,898<br>
                            <br>
                            <font face="sans-serif">Firearm accidents
                              are the smallest number in that list, but
                              that doesn't mean we couldn't do more to
                              reduce that number.  What I'd like to know
                              is why accidental poisoning is so high. 
                              More than 54 times as many deaths by
                              accidental poisoning as by accidental
                              discharge of firearms.  Looking into it, I
                              see it consists mainly of drug causes
                              (91%), including prescription pain
                              killers, cocaine, and heroin at the top of
                              the list.<br>
                              <br>
                              Paul<br>
                              <br>
                            </font></font><br>
                          On 03/23/2013 05:36 AM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
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                              <div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.nytimes.com/"
                                  target="_blank"><img
                                    moz-do-not-send="true" alt="The New
                                    York Times" border="0" hspace="0"
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                            <div>March 22, 2013</div>
                            <h1>Saving Children From Guns</h1>
                            <h6>By <span><span>JOE NOCERA</span></span></h6>
                            <div>
                              <p> For nearly two months, my assistant, <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.jennifermascia.com/"
                                  target="_blank">Jennifer Mascia</a>,
                                and I have been publishing <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/category/gun-report/"
                                  target="_blank">a daily blog</a> in
                                which we aggregate articles about
                                shootings from the previous day. Of all
                                the stories we link to, the ones I find
                                hardest to read are those about young
                                children who accidentally shoot
                                themselves or another child. They just
                                break my heart. Yet Jennifer and I find
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=child+shoots&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=child+shoots&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=xgX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&psj=1&ei=m-xMUYWkAdSp4AOFzYDYCg&ved=0CA0Q_AUoBA&fp=1&biw=1730&bih=774&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=KPZMUeOdKafE4APM9IHgCw"
                                  target="_blank">new examples almost
                                  every day</a>. </p>
                              <p> Partly, I react by thinking, “How can
                                anyone be so stupid as to leave a loaded
                                gun within reach of a small child?” But
                                I also have another reaction. In 1970,
                                Congress passed a law that resulted in
                                childproofing medicine bottles. The
                                Consumer Product Safety Commission
                                regulates the paint used in children’s
                                toys. State laws mandate that young
                                children be required to use car seats. </p>
                              <p> So why can’t we childproof guns? In an
                                age of technological wizardry — not to
                                mention a time of deep sensitivity to
                                the welfare of children — why can’t we
                                come up with a technology that would
                                keep a gun from going off when it is
                                being held by a child? Or, for that
                                matter, by a thief using a stolen gun?
                                Or an angry teenager who is plotting to
                                use his parents’ arsenal to wreak havoc
                                in a mall? </p>
                              <p> It turns out — why is this not a
                                surprise? — that such technologies
                                already exist. A German company,
                                Armartix, will soon be marketing <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gizmag.com/armatrix-wristwatch-safety-system-for-handguns/14044/"
                                  target="_blank">a pistol that uses
                                  radio frequencies</a> that prevent a
                                gun from being used by anyone except its
                                owner. At the New Jersey Institute of
                                Technology, the senior vice president
                                for research and development, Donald
                                Sebastian, has long spearheaded an
                                effort to develop biometrics for “gun
                                personalization,” as it’s called. Guns
                                employing this technology fire only when
                                they recognize the hand of the owner.
                                There are others who have invented
                                similar technologies. </p>
                              <p> Why aren’t <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-shuster/smart-gun-technology_b_2324978.html"
                                  target="_blank">these lifesaving
                                  technologies</a> in widespread use? No
                                surprise here, either: The usual
                                irrational opposition from the National
                                Rifle Association and gun absolutists,
                                who claim, absurdly, that a gun that
                                only can be fired by its owner somehow
                                violates the Second Amendment. Pro-gun
                                bloggers were furious when they saw
                                James Bond, in “Skyfall,” proudly
                                showing off <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/11/skyfall_someone_should_make_james_bond_s_biometric_walther_ppk_s_gun.html"
                                  target="_blank">his new biometrically
                                  protected weapon</a>. They were
                                convinced it was a Hollywood plot to
                                undermine their rights. </p>
                              <p> Yet there is reason for at least some
                                hope that the day when these
                                technologies are in widespread use will
                                soon be here. Last week, there were two
                                important meetings about gun
                                personalization technology. On March 13,
                                in Washington, Attorney General Eric
                                Holder Jr. met with several dozen
                                advocates, including Sebastian and
                                Stephen Teret, the co-director of the
                                Center for Law and the Public Health at
                                Johns Hopkins University. The purpose of
                                the meeting was to get Holder up to
                                speed on the technologies so he could
                                make recommendations to President Obama.
                              </p>
                              <p> The following day, in San Francisco, <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.sandyhookpromise.org/"
                                  target="_blank">Sandy Hook Promise</a>,
                                an organization founded by citizens of
                                Newtown, Conn., <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://newtownbee.com/news/news/0001/11/30/sandy-hook-promise-launches-innovation-initiative/10397"
                                  target="_blank">publicly launched</a>
                                its “innovation initiative” in
                                collaboration with some Silicon Valley
                                venture capitalists and entrepreneurs.
                                One of the leaders in the effort is the
                                venture capitalist Ron Conway, who
                                coincidentally threw a Christmas party
                                on the day of the Newtown massacre.
                                Gabrielle Giffords was among those who
                                attended. Like so many others, Conway
                                decided he had to do something about
                                guns after Newtown. </p>
                              <p> The innovation initiative, which will
                                make grants, and even award prize money
                                for good ideas, includes an emphasis on
                                gun personalization technology. A member
                                of the group, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lagunabeachindependent.com/2012/07/26/guest-column-mirror-america/"
                                  target="_blank">Alan Boinus</a>, who
                                applied for a patent on a biometric
                                technology back in 1994, has founded a
                                company, Allied Biometrics, that is
                                devoted to commercializing biometric gun
                                technology. He has already begun a
                                collaboration with Sebastian in New
                                Jersey. </p>
                              <p> In classic Silicon Valley fashion,
                                Boinus told me that the government has
                                been hopeless, and that innovation and
                                the market itself would solve the
                                problem. “The market will prove this
                                out,” he said. “People want to be
                                responsible. People want safety.” </p>
                              <p> I agree with him that Congress has
                                been hopeless and then some, <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/03/19/feinstein-assault-weapons-ban-reid-senate-bill/2000119/"
                                  target="_blank">unable to even work up
                                  the courage</a> to vote on an assault
                                weapons ban for fear of offending gun
                                owners. But I’m not convinced that the
                                market alone can create mass acceptance
                                of this technology. It took years, after
                                all, for Congress to overcome the car
                                industry’s resistance to air bags,
                                ultimately requiring a law that made air
                                bags mandatory. </p>
                              <p> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html"
                                  target="_blank">Thousands of lives</a>
                                could be saved each year if gun
                                personalization technology became the
                                law of the land. In mid-April,
                                Representative John Tierney, a
                                Massachusetts Democrat, plans to
                                introduce a House bill requiring that
                                all guns include personalization
                                technology within two years. </p>
                              <p> Congress once cared enough about the
                                safety of its citizens to pass laws
                                about air bags and childproof bottles.
                                We’ll soon find out if it still cares
                                enough about the safety of its
                                constituents to make childproofing guns
                                the law of the land. It should. </p>
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