It pains me that I take my time to carefully spell out why I don't think these are the same at all, legally etc., but your takeaway, Gary, is that I add support to Wilson's fallacious claim.<br><br>An analogy similar to one I used before: Saying that legalization of gay marriage will lead to legalization of polygamy is like saying that sex with your wife will lead to an orgy. I see no reason for thinking the one than for thinking the other. After all, if you've got reasons for sex with one person WHY NOT sex with many? Just the same reason over again, right? But even you can see the line here, Gary, even though these issues are vague. And so can members of the Supreme Court when it comes to differentiating between gay marriage and polygamy.<br>
<br>This says nothing about my views on polygamy, and for a number of reasons I don't think it is helpful to talk about polygamy while we're working on gay marriage -- for one thing, though bad, slippery-slope arguments happen to be persuasive. My point is I COULD hold that gay marriage is OK and polygamy is not and not be guilty of an inconsistency because of it. This is a refutation of the Wilson claim.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font face="Calibri"><span>"</span><span>I argued at length that <i style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px">all</i> the
arguments employed to advance same sex marriage can be, are being, and will be
used to advance polygamy also. In short, gay marriage greases the skids for
polygamy."</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
</div><div><font face="Calibri">If nothing else this thread has certainly proven Doug to
be spot on in his analysis. Goodness knows that’s gotta sting.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 01, 2013 6:06 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">Tom Hansen</a> ; <a title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Paul Rumelhart</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div><div>
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<div><br></div>I'm not denying anything. Maybe three or more. I just don't want
to confuse it with the issue of same-sex marriage. That seems important to me,
just because I can see the folks that such a law might help. I don't happen to
meet many polygamists, so I'm not too concerned for now.<br><br>Why not take one
step: include same-sex marriages. If the polygamists complain as much as the
gays and lesbians, we might have to revisit the issue.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri">Then why deny three or more?</font></div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 01, 2013 2:07 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
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WHAT!?</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div>I absolutely fail to see what the happiness of two adults has ANYTHING to
do with a polygamous relationship.</div>
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<div>Let me simply say . . .</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Later this year, I turn 62, my spouse turns whatever age she acquires,
and we (my spouse and I) turn 40; forty of the most wonderfully memorable and
loving years of yesterdays that will only be improved upon with tomorrows.
</div>
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<div>To deny ANY two individuals of such an experience, merely because it runs
contra to somebody else's belief system, lacks the slightest inkling of human
compassion.<br><br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"<span style="FONT-SIZE:medium">There's room at the top they are telling
you still</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:medium"> </span></div><span style="FONT-SIZE:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you
kill </span><br style="FONT-SIZE:medium"><span style="FONT-SIZE:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the
hill."</span></div>
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<div><br>On Mar 1, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">I
think the general argument would run something like this: "if it's OK
for any two consenting adults of either gender to marry, then why isn't it
OK for any three or more consenting adults of any gender to
marry?"<br><br>If that's what he's thinking, I can kind of see his
point. Of course, I'm personally fine with gay marriage, and would
have no problems with polygamy either. I'd be happiest if the
government got out of the marriage racket to begin with,
frankly.<br><br>Paul<br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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2013 11:39 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Vision2020] Huh? Say WHAT!?<br></font></div><br>
<div>Well, if he argued that polygamy and gay marriage are similar, then
that is just another fallacious argument. It is like arguing that we can
give every adult the right to vote because that would lead to some folks
voting more than once. We would be powerless to avoid that! <br><br>
<div>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Cultmaster Wilson is hopelessly floundering as he is swept out to sea
on the tide of reality and oncoming change. But that's what happens
to those that allege total faith in some "inerrant" ancient texts.
Foolhardiness begets misery for others.<br><br></div>It's too bad that the
Cultmaster is not a Mormon so that he could have a "new" vision from some
alleged God correcting his current views.<br><br></div>w.<br></div>
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<div>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<div><span>"</span><span>I argued at length that <i style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px">all</i> the
arguments employed to advance same sex marriage can be, are being, and
will be used to advance polygamy also. In short, gay marriage greases
the skids for polygamy."</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div><span>- Doug Wilson (March 1, 2013)</span></div>
<div><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:19px;WHITE-SPACE:nowrap;FONT-SIZE:15px"><a href="http://www.dougwils.com/Sex-and-Culture/a-century-of-sinkholes.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.dougwils.com/Sex-and-Culture/a-century-of-sinkholes.html</a></span><span><br>
</span><br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div>
<div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"<span style="FONT-SIZE:medium">There's room at the top they are
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kill </span><br style="FONT-SIZE:medium"><span style="FONT-SIZE:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the
hill."</span></div>
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