Enforcement of current laws is the key. If they are being ignored, why does creation of MORE laws solve anything? They are just as easily ignored.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Sue Hovey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target="_blank">suehovey@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>It seems to me, “We can’t work with the simple rules we have,” because they
don’t work. If they did, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="keim153@gmail.com" href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank">Darrell Keim</a> </div>
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</div><div><div class="h5"><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Wayne Krauss</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div>I happened to sit next to Wayne yesterday when someone asked him to explain
his remarks. He elaborated that his point was that we shouldn't need to
have special protections for different groups. We should hold ourselves to
the standard of treating all people equally, which our Constitution already
guarantees. </div>
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<div>While his quote in the paper makes him sound like an idiot (reporters have
a way of doing this-context is SO important), I agree with the sentiment he
attempted to express. Why can't we work with the simple rule already
expressed in our countries founding document: treat others with basic dignity
and decency. The guy is not nearly the troglodyte he is being made out to
be.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Aside from its gross insensitivity and ignorance the remarks provide a
revelation about Krauss's personal feelings and the lack of comment implying
consent by the other semi-conscious officials present, this is part of a
longer saga.<br><br></div>There is hardly a month that has gone by since he
took office and made a fool of himself starting with his participation and
remarks in the Hawkins scandal, that Wayne Krauss hasn't provided ample
evidence of the long circulating characterization of him that as the former
manager of the Goodyear store he was hit in the head too hard and too many
times with a tire iron.<br></div>
<div> </div></div>w.<br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Saundra Lund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">What
a horse’s rear end Krauss continues to show himself to be.
Disgusting.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Here’s
the article Roger Hayes referred to:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<h1 style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">Antidiscrimination
ordinance vetted by committee<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><span lang="EN">By Brandon Macz, Daily
News staff writer | Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:00 am
</span></strong><span lang="EN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Considering an ordinance to make
housing and job discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender
identity a criminal offense in Moscow, Councilor Wayne Krauss asked City
Attorney Randy Fife where demands for more protections would
end.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><b><span lang="EN">Krauss asked rhetorically
whether someone bringing monkeys into a business and being refused service
would require a discrimination ordinance for monkey owners.
<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Fife laid out for the
Administrative Committee on Monday details of his draft ordinance. Under the
ordinance, an employer would not be allowed to refuse to hire or fire a
person for their sexual orientation or gender identity, or to deny an
employee advancement or training on that same basis. It would also prevent
businesses from refusing to serve a person based on their sexual orientation
or gender identity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">On the housing side, refusal to
sell, buy or rent property or to repair, maintain or improve it would also
be prohibited if it were the result of such discrimination, Fife
said.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Exceptions include religious
entities, other governments and agencies, boarding houses, private clubs or
institutions and two-family dwellings, such as duplexes, where the property
owner or a relative lives in one of the units.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Krauss was curious about whether
businesses, such as restaurants, which often display signs indicating their
right to refuse service to anyone, could refuse to serve someone based on
their sexual orientation or gender identity without disclosing that as the
reason. Fife said if someone felt that was the reason for denial of service,
they could file a complaint under the ordinance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">"I hate any kind of bullying
whatsoever, and discrimination is a form of bullying, in my mind," Krauss
said.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Krauss said he didn't like the
idea of the city being forced to react to a continuous list of
discriminatory grievances.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">"The question is, where does it
stop?" Krauss said. "Why doesn't the 14th Amendment cover the whole darn
thing?"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">The amendment says "No State
shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Fife said he prepared the draft
after reviewing laws already on the books in Sandpoint, Boise and Salt Lake
City and said he favored Boise's. The proposed ordinance would fill a gap in
the federal and state human rights acts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Anyone believing themselves to
be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation or gender
identity would file a report with the Moscow Police Department, Fife said,
which would conduct an investigation and file a report with the city
prosecutor to validate whether the claim constitutes an offense under the
ordinance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">If so, mediation would be
attempted between the two parties by the city attorney with the offender
facing a misdemeanor if a resolution can't be met. If the defendant takes
remediation steps, the penalty could be reduced to an infraction. Should
both parties settle, the charge would be dismissed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">"You want compliance, not
punishment. That's the goal," Fife said, adding the criminal process might
do better in a separate council resolution.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Fife said pushes on the
municipal level could force the issue in the Idaho Legislature, which has
historically never passed an amendment to its human rights act covering
sexual orientation and gender identity out of
committee.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">"That's not going to happen, so
we'll continue to legislate morality," Krauss said.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">The draft ordinance will be
reviewed by the city's Fair and Affordable Housing and Human Rights
commissions before returning to the Administrative Committee to forward the
draft to the full council.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><span lang="EN">More Well No. 9
problems</span></strong><span lang="EN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">Public Works Director Les
MacDonald reported the recently reinstalled Well No. 9 pump and motor have
to be removed again after testing Friday knocked out power to the well
house. Once power was restored, a ground fault was detected, which means
something is short-circuiting the electricity being channeled through the
pump and motor, he said.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">"It means we're in a different
situation than before," MacDonald said.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">The pump was shut down in June
when it stopped functioning and the motor was sent to be repaired by Alstra
Technologies in Tempe, Ariz. It was reinstalled in late September, but was
shut down again when the electric current became too high and caused the
protection unit to shut it down. The motor was returned to Alstra and the
pump was analyzed by a Spokane company before both were tested by another
manufacturer in Arizona.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN">The pump and motor were
reinstalled in two weeks ago, but further testing in Moscow showed the
electric current was still too high and a "whale song" noise occurred when
it was reconnected to the system, MacDonald said. Following Friday's outage,
he said removal of the pump and motor by crane began Monday and should be
completed today. He added an outside consultant may need to be brought in to
determine the city's next move. Well No. 9 can produce up to 40 percent of
the city's water.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><span lang="EN">Brandon
Macz</span></strong><span lang="EN"> can be reached at <a href="tel:%28208%29%20882-5561%2C%20ext.%20238" target="_blank" value="+12088825561">(208) 882-5561, ext. 238</a>, or by email to <a href="mailto:bmacz@dnews.com" target="_blank">bmacz@dnews.com</a>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">And,
here’s the letter to the editor Roger also referred
to:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="background:white;line-height:20.25pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:18pt" lang="EN">Basic human
rights<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Posted: Wednesday,
February 27, 2013 12:00 am </span></b><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Moscow City Councilor
Wayne Krauss has implied that refusing service to monkey owners in a
business setting is the same as denying fair housing and job rights to
residents based on their sexual orientation or gender
identity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">As reported by Brandon
Macz in "Antidiscrimination ordinance vetted," (<i>Daily News</i>, Feb. 26):
"Krauss asked rhetorically whether someone bringing monkeys into a business
and being refused service would require a discrimination ordinance for
monkey owners."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:18pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">You must be logged in with the proper
services to print this article. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Think about what he is
really saying.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Also, according to
Macz, Krauss questions "legislating morality." Yet Krauss is forcing his own
"morality" on public legislation, denying basic human rights to a sector of
the population that he is being paid to serve.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Please, Krauss,
apologize for what you said and rethink your
stance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Lisa
Kliger</span></b><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white;line-height:18pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt" lang="EN">Moscow<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Rosemary Huskey<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:50
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a>; 'Moscow Vision
2020'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Wayne
Krauss<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
am gobsmacked about Wayne Krauss’ remarks. Where did he make
them? Thank you for letting 2020 readers
know.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Rose
Huskey<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b><a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February
27, 2013 8:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020]
Wayne Krauss<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:10pt">And yesterday Wayne
<span>Krauss</span> was quoted that offering equal protection to all
citizens including that of sexual identity and orientation to bringing
monkeys to a restaurant and demanding service.
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<p style="background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:10pt">In this case crackpot...
and a sad reflection on our city council. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:10pt">For those with short
memories:<br><br>On a scale of 0 to 10 where 10 is the easiest to be
<span>hornswoggled</span> <span>Carscalen</span><br>and <span>Krauss</span>
are clearly 10s based on how Hawkins and Mr. Slime Steed (acting<br>in the
conflicting roles of city council person and *<span>defacto</span>* agent of
his<br>longtime associates Hawkins) <span>hornswoggled</span> the council
into the sweetheart<br>deal with the now never to be Hawkins mall against
the fundamental<br>interests of Idaho citizens.<br><br>How do you choose a
GOP leader? From the crackpots or the
corrupt?<br><br>w.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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