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Which would you rather have if your life were on the line? A gun
or a stuffed animal?<br>
<br>
Which would you rather have if your house was on fire? A fire
extinguisher or a stuffed animal? I mean, don't get me wrong, I
like stuffed animals as much as your normal middle-aged man, but
don't you think you'd rather have a smoke detector in case of a
fire, a poncho if you're stuck out in the weather while hiking, a
donut tire if you get a flat, an air bag if you get in a head-on
collision, etc, etc? I mean, maybe if you were being attacked by
a band of rabid Japanese schoolgirls having a stuffed animal with
you that you could throw as a diversion might actually be handy.
I just can't think of too many other scenarios where I'd need one.<br>
<br>
Seriously, don't you think there's a utilitarian use to having a
firearm around?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 02/21/2013 05:27 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">People want
guns for the same reason children want stuffed animals. They
serve no practical use in most instances but it gives them a
sense of security that nothing else can. Feeling secure and
having a sense of some control is a <span style="RIGHT:
auto" id="misspell-0"><span>necessity</span></span> for
many people. Some people don't or cannot control their
environment and so are in constant danger or feel they are.
A gun, returns some of the feeling back. It doesn't do
anything for my sense of security. However, I still do have
a couple of stuffed animals from my childhood and as gifts<var
id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>, so who am I to judge.</span></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"></span> </div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Donovan J.
Arnold</span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Gary
Crabtree <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com"><moscowlocksmith@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Art
Deco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"><art.deco.studios@gmail.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:21 AM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">Hmmm</span>
. . .<br>
</font></div>
<br>
<div style="RIGHT: auto" id="yiv436319065">
<div>I agree (I think) I rationally choose not to discard
a potentially valuable tool based on how unlikely it is
that I will need to apply it in any one specific
application and as such refuse to play <span
id="misspell-3" class="mark">russian</span> roulette.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Likelihood of firearm as useful tool in home defense
scenario <1/6 (doubtless far less given our
community) but not =0</div>
<div>Likelihood of firearm as useful tool when
not available =0</div>
<div> </div>
<div>g</div>
<div> </div>
<div><br>
<br>
</div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto" class="yiv436319065gmail_quote">On
Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"
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wrote:<br>
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solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex;
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<div>@Joe,<br>
<br>
</div>
Empirical evidence is important, and
especially some general estimate of the
risk.<br>
<br>
</div>
However, the general risk is different from
a specific risk, and more important is the
expected value of the risk<br>
<br>
</div>
If for example, I propose to <span
id="misspell-4" class="mark">ay</span> you
$100 if a throw of a die is greater than 1,
but you pay me $100 if the throw equals 1.<br>
<br>
</div>
EV = (5/6)*100 - (1/6)*100 = $500, normally a
very good bet for you in the long run, and
little but some risk in a single trial.<br>
<br>
</div>
To see the relevancy of this to the present issue,
just change the above game to Russian Roulette. <br>
<br>
The owner of a gun for protection despite the
odds, rationally chooses not to pay Russian
Roulette.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>w.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"
class="yiv436319065gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="yiv436319065gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 21,
2013 at 10:47 AM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="yiv436319065gmail_quote">
<div>In and of itself, no. If he grins, pulls a
knife and advances, most likely the answer
will be a reluctant yes.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I realize full well how unlikely it is that
a home defense scenario is, living on the
sleepy <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">Palouse</span>
and own firearms for reasons that go beyond
protection. I simply do not want my rights
curtailed based on the shaky statistical
argument of lack of need.</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div> </div>
<div>g<br>
<br>
</div>
</font></span>
<div>
<div>
<div class="yiv436319065gmail_quote">On Thu,
Feb 21, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Joe Campbell <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="yiv436319065gmail_quote">
<div>
<div>So if the intoxicated college
student who wanders into your home
says "Or what?" your plan is to
shoot him?<br>
<br>
You keep missing this point: the
scenario that you imagine is
improbable. There are other more
probable scenarios where you end up
harming yourself or an innocent
victim rather than protecting
yourself. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:43 AM, "Gary
Crabtree" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<div>
<div><font face="Calibri">The
point that you and most of the
other anti-firearm respondents
continually miss is that I,
nor Paul or Roger are not
advocating the Fearless <span
id="misspell-8" class="mark">Fosdick</span>/<span
id="misspell-9" class="mark">LAPD</span>
tactic of firing a warning
shot into the back of the head
of our lovable and slightly
confused/intoxicated intruder.
What I, and I believe the
others are saying is that a
weapon can be a <span
id="misspell-10"
class="mark">usefull</span>
tool in certain situations and
while some may elect to not
have that tool at their
disposal, I would like to be
able to have it as one of my
options. Any sane person would
prefer that an intruder in
their home simply leave when
told. Having a weapon
forestalls the intruders
potential response of "or
what."</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri">g</font></div>
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font-size-adjust: none;
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</div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:
rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan
Arnold</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,
February 20, 2013 11:28 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="moscowlocksmith@gmail.com"
href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">Gary
Crabtree</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow
link"
href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">Art
Deco</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow
link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] <span
id="misspell-12"
class="mark">Hmmm</span> .
. .</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: verdana,
helvetica, sans-serif;
FONT-SIZE: 8pt">
<div><span>I guess that would
work if you sat behind your
door with a gun waiting for
an unexpected guest. The
smartest thing to do if you
suspect people are trying to
get into your house would be
to exit through the nearest
door or window. Then call
the police. When they exit
the house the police will be
there to nab them, or you
can slash their tires and
have fun watching them
trying to escape with your
insured television. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent; FONT-STYLE:
normal; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,
helvetica, sans-serif;
FONT-SIZE: 11px"><span>Keep in
mind, if you shoot an
unarmed person that is not
100% in your house you are
in legal trouble. A dead
body in your house will be
cleaned up and removed at
your expense, and it isn't
cheap. And you will have to
disclose the death on the
sale of the home, which will
cost you $10,000s. You will
have to live with the fact
that you probably killed an
innocent person. Chances are
someone that entered your
home unexpectedly in
Moscow would be an
intoxicated college student
<span><span>whose</span></span>
biggest threat would be <span><span>vomits</span></span>
on your living room carpet.
</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent; FONT-STYLE:
normal; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,
helvetica, sans-serif;
FONT-SIZE: 11px"><span>There
are <span><span>countless</span></span>
risks for getting into a gun
battle with an unknown
person, the risks of
insuring your belongs and
beating feet at the sign of
danger are much less and
have far better outcomes.
I'm not against owning a
gun, but that <span><span><span>scenario</span></span></span>
is a stupid reason to use a
gun. I would use a gun if I
was out of the immediate
reach of the police and
there was a clear and
present danger to my life or
the life of another. <span><span>With</span></span>
the possible exception if I
was robbed constantly with
no help from the police or
insurance companies. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
<div><br>
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<b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</span></b>
Gary Crabtree <<a
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href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</span></b>
Art Deco <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
<b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Cc:</span></b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
<b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, February 20,
2013 2:33 PM<br>
<b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] <span><span
id="misspell-14"
class="mark">Hmmm</span></span>
. . .<br>
</font></div>
<br>
<div>
<div>The problem does not
seem at
all insurmountable.</div>
<div><br>
Problem, person(s) force
entry to ones home
without invitation.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Solution. Point
weapon in general
direction of intruder
and request
(insist) they leave.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Outcome. They comply
or they do not.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Compliance equals
positive resolution to
problem.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Noncompliance results
in negative outcome for
intruder.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The real problem
stems from not having
the proper tools to
affect the desired
outcome.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>g<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>On Wed, Feb 20, 2013
at 10:47 AM, Art Deco <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="BORDER-LEFT:
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0px 0.8ex;
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>The
problem of
dealing with
intruders
involves
sometimes a
dangerous lack
of
information.<br>
<br>
</div>
Is the
intruder
armed?<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Is there
more than one?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
What are the
intentions of
of the
intruder?<br>
<br>
</div>
Who is the
intruder? Is
she/he someone
known? What
is the
relevant
history of the
intruder?<br>
<br>
</div>
Are there
effective/non-lethal
ways of
neutralizing the
intruder?<br>
<br>
</div>
How can those
intruded upon
calculate the the
risk to
themselves, and
decide upon the
action to be
taken?<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
w.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>On Wed, Feb 20,
2013 at 12:00 PM,
Joe Campbell <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="BORDER-LEFT:
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<div>
<div>These are
empirically
claims. Could
be that
pulling out a
gun increases
your risk. It
depends on a
lot of
factors.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The big
question is:
does the
potential for
help outweigh
the risk of
harm?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And I
hate to tell
you that in a
region with a
low incidence
of gun
violence, the
answer is
'No.' Paul's
weapons are
more likely to
cause him harm
than they are
to protect
him.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
On Feb 20,
2013, at 8:05
AM, Gary
Crabtree <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div>Once "he"
becomes aware
of said gun it
becomes a
powerful
deterrent to
staying in
your house
much less
helping
himself to
your belongings
or continued
good health.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>g<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>On Wed,
Feb 20, 2013
at 6:56 AM,
Joe Campbell <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
style="BORDER-LEFT:
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0px 0px 0.8ex;
PADDING-LEFT:
1ex">
<div>
<div>This is
what listening
to pop music
can do to
you! </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Paul: If
he's in your
house, then
the gun was
not a
deterrent.</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 20,
2013, at 6:12
AM, <span><span
id="misspell-16" class="mark">Sunil</span></span> <span><span
id="misspell-17"
class="mark">Ramalingam</span></span>
<<a
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href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">But
not in a
judgmental
way. I'm too
busy singing
to put anybody
down.<br>
<br>
<span><span
id="misspell-18"
class="mark">sr</span></span><br>
<br>
<div>
From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a><br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] <span><span
id="misspell-19" class="mark">Hmmm</span></span> . . .<br>
Date: Wed, 20
Feb 2013
06:02:11 -0800<br>
<br>
<div><font
face="Calibri"
size="3">Now
you're just <span><span
id="misspell-20" class="mark">monkeeing</span></span> around.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font
face="Calibri"
size="3">g</font></div>
<div
style="FONT:
10pt Tahoma;
font-size-adjust:
none;
font-stretch:
normal">
<div><br>
</div>
<div
style="BACKGROUND:
rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><span><span
id="misspell-21" class="mark">Sunil</span></span> <span><span
id="misspell-22"
class="mark">Ramalingam</span></span></a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday,
February 19,
2013 11:07 PM</div>
<div><b>Cc:</b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Vision2020] <span><span
id="misspell-23" class="mark">Hmmm</span></span> . . .</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">The
premise of
your post was
that he was
breaking into
homes when
people were
there. Now
you're
inventing his
motive to kill
you. No, if he
saw your face,
he'd be a
believer, not
a killer.<br>
<br>
<br>
<span><span
id="misspell-24"
class="mark">Sunil</span></span><br>
<br>
<div>
Date: Tue, 19
Feb 2013
22:56:57 -0800<br>
From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] <span><span
id="misspell-25" class="mark">Hmmm</span></span> . . .<br>
<br>
<div><br>
It didn't say
he was. If he
did, though,
I'd want to be
able to
protect myself
if he ran
across me in a
home he
thought was
empty and he
got it through
his head that
I had to die
because I'd
seen his
face. Or
maybe he's
desperate, and
now he's
willing to try
hitting a
house that is
occupied but
looks like he
could rob it
regardless.<br>
<br>
It's a tool of
preparedness.
I'd rather not
assume that
he's harmless
if he's
breaking into
houses and
robbing them.
If my
assumption is
wrong, I could
die. I'd
rather not
throw away my
chance at
survival
because "<span><span
id="misspell-26" class="mark">OMG</span></span>! Guns are bad!"<br>
<br>
It doesn't
mean, by the
way, that I'd
just shoot
this guy for
breaking into
my house. But
a loaded
weapon is a
good
deterrent, and
if it turns
out my life is
at stake, I'd
rather have a
gun than a
shoe I could
throw at him,
or whatever I
happened to
have at hand.<br>
<br>
This isn't
rocket
science. Be
prepared.
It's the good
old Boy Scout
motto. I
also have a
smoke detector
and a fire
extinguisher.<br>
<br>
Don't let the
"guns are
killing our
kids!"
narrative
drive your
views.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 02/19/2013
10:43 PM, <span><span
id="misspell-27" class="mark">Sunil</span></span> <span><span
id="misspell-28"
class="mark">Ramalingam</span></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Paul,<br>
<br>
Where does it
say he's
breaking into
homes when
people are in?
I had a lot of
burglary
cases, and my
mistakenly
charged
clients were
usually
alleged to
have entered
homes when no
one was there.
Lots easier to
leave with
stuff that
way, said the
authorities.<br>
<br>
<span><span
id="misspell-29"
class="mark">Sunil</span></span><br>
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Date: Tue, 19
Feb 2013
19:02:25 -0800<br>
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[Vision2020] <span><span
id="misspell-30" class="mark">Hmmm</span></span> . . .<br>
<br>
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What's
paranoid about
locking up
when you're
out and being
ready to
defend
yourself when
you're at home
when there is
a known
burglar in the
area? Being
prepared is
not the same
thing as being
paranoid. If
someone is
crazy enough
to break into
your home
while you are
there, you can
go ahead and
classify that
as a situation
fraught with
danger, in
which case
having some
means to
protect
yourself might
be called
for. There
are plenty of
reasonable
scenarios
where a
would-be
burglar
happens upon a
member of the
household when
he thought the
place was
empty that
could end up
very badly for
the person he
stumbled
upon. If the
burglar knew
you were at
home and
invaded the
home anyway,
then you've
definitely got
a problem if
you are
happily
unarmed.<br>
<br>
Better to have
that gun when
you need it
than not. If
guns frighten
you, which I
find hard to
believe
because of
your military
background,
then at least
pick up a good
aluminum
baseball bat.<br>
<br>
Do you think
I'm paranoid
because I keep
a set of
jumper cables
in my trunk in
case my
battery dies
and I need a
jump from a
kind
stranger? Are
you one of
those people
that joyously
flit from
situation to
situation
relying on the
gods to keep
you out of
trouble?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 02/19/2013
01:18 PM, Tom
Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div><<span><span
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<div>Paranoia
. . . self-<span><span
id="misspell-32" class="mark">destroya</span></span>.<br>
<br>
<div><span><span
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because . . .</div>
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Scum" Hansen</div>
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Idaho</div>
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