<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I guess that would work if you sat behind your door with a gun waiting for an unexpected guest. The smartest thing to do if you suspect people are trying to get into your house would be to exit through the nearest door or window. Then call the police. When they exit the house the police will be there to nab them, or you can slash their tires and have fun watching them trying to escape with your insured television. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 11px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">There are <SPAN id=misspell-2><SPAN>countless</SPAN></SPAN> risks for getting into a gun battle with an unknown person, the risks of insuring your belongs and beating feet at the sign of danger are much less and have far better outcomes. I'm not against owning a gun, but that <SPAN id=misspell-3><SPAN id=misspell-0><SPAN>scenario</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> is a stupid reason to use a gun. I would use a gun if I was out of the immediate reach of the police and there was a clear and present danger to my life or the life of another. <SPAN id=misspell-4><SPAN>With</SPAN></SPAN> the possible exception if I was robbed constantly with no help from the police or insurance companies. </SPAN></div>
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<DIV>The problem does not seem at all insurmountable.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Problem, person(s) force entry to ones home without invitation.</DIV>
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<DIV>Solution. Point weapon in general direction of intruder and request (insist) they leave.</DIV>
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<DIV>Outcome. They comply or they do not.</DIV>
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<DIV>Compliance equals positive resolution to problem.</DIV>
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<DIV>Noncompliance results in negative outcome for intruder.</DIV>
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<DIV>The real problem stems from not having the proper tools to affect the desired outcome.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto" class=yiv1143405454gmail_quote>On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Art Deco <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>The problem of dealing with intruders involves sometimes a dangerous lack of information.<BR><BR></DIV>Is the intruder armed?<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Is there more than one?<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>What are the intentions of of the intruder?<BR><BR></DIV>Who is the intruder? Is she/he someone known? What is the relevant history of the intruder?<BR><BR></DIV>Are there effective/non-lethal ways of neutralizing the intruder?<BR><BR></DIV>How can those intruded upon calculate the the risk to themselves, and decide upon the action to be taken?<BR><BR><BR></DIV>w.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>These are empirically claims. Could be that pulling out a gun increases your risk. It depends on a lot of factors.</DIV>
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<DIV>And I hate to tell you that in a region with a low incidence of gun violence, the answer is 'No.' Paul's weapons are more likely to cause him harm than they are to protect him.</DIV>
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<DIV>Paul: If he's in your house, then the gun was not a deterrent.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Now you're just <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>monkeeing</SPAN> around.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>Sunil</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-10 class=mark>Ramalingam</SPAN></A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] <SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>Hmmm</SPAN> . . .</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>The premise of your post was that he was breaking into homes when people were there. Now you're inventing his motive to kill you. No, if he saw your face, he'd be a believer, not a killer.<BR><BR><BR><SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>Sunil</SPAN><BR><BR>
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<DIV><BR>It didn't say he was. If he did, though, I'd want to be able to protect myself if he ran across me in a home he thought was empty and he got it through his head that I had to die because I'd seen his face. Or maybe he's desperate, and now he's willing to try hitting a house that is occupied but looks like he could rob it regardless.<BR><BR>It's a tool of preparedness. I'd rather not assume that he's harmless if he's breaking into houses and robbing them. If my assumption is wrong, I could die. I'd rather not throw away my chance at survival because "<SPAN id=misspell-14 class=mark>OMG</SPAN>! Guns are bad!"<BR><BR>It doesn't mean, by the way, that I'd just shoot this guy for breaking into my house. But a loaded weapon is a good deterrent, and if it turns out my life is at stake, I'd rather have a gun than a shoe I could throw at him, or whatever I happened to have at hand.<BR><BR>This isn't rocket
science. Be prepared. It's the good old Boy Scout motto. I also have a smoke detector and a fire extinguisher.<BR><BR>Don't let the "guns are killing our kids!" narrative drive your views.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 02/19/2013 10:43 PM, <SPAN id=misspell-15 class=mark>Sunil</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-16 class=mark>Ramalingam</SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>What's paranoid about locking up when you're out and being ready to defend yourself when you're at home when there is a known burglar in the area? Being prepared is not the same thing as being paranoid. If someone is crazy enough to break into your home while you are there, you can go ahead and classify that as a situation fraught with danger, in which case having some means to protect yourself might be called for. There are plenty of reasonable scenarios where a would-be burglar happens upon a member of the household when he thought the place was empty that could end up very badly for the person he stumbled upon. If the burglar knew you were at home and invaded the home anyway, then you've definitely got a problem if you are happily unarmed.<BR><BR>Better to have that gun when you need it than not. If guns frighten you, which I find hard to believe because of your military background, then at least pick up a good
aluminum baseball bat.<BR><BR>Do you think I'm paranoid because I keep a set of jumper cables in my trunk in case my battery dies and I need a jump from a kind stranger? Are you one of those people that joyously flit from situation to situation relying on the gods to keep you out of trouble?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 02/19/2013 01:18 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<BR></DIV>
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