<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">I suspect that we haven't heard the last about the police officers.</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Although I suspect that we haven't read everything there is to know about this incident, coupled with Police Chief Beck's comments, it will be extremely difficult (if not impossible) for those officers to convince a shooting board that the shootings were justified and in line of duty. Then there's the public pressure thing.</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">They are certainly not the caliber of police officer I would want wandering the hallways keeping our elementary school campuses safe.</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">With all that said, I still think . . .</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">"It's Gonna Rain Today"</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/songs/Gonna_Rain_Today.mp3">http://www.tomandrodna.com/songs/Gonna_Rain_Today.mp3</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"> </span><br><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">"Moscow Cares"</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "> </div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></font></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>On Feb 8, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Aside from the horrible, senseless, and avoidable tragedy, the officers involved would not make good hunting companions.<br><br></div>Aren't you supposed to know what you are shooting at before you discharge that lethal missile? Aren't LE personnel especially trained about this rule?<br>
<br></div><div>And LE officers wonder why there is less and less trust of them by the public?<br></div><div><br></div>w<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">This whole story reads like a B movie script. Dorner threw away any "fighting for justice" points with me the second he killed those two civilians. Assuming he actually killed them, I guess. If he didn't, I could at least understand him: the lone hero fighting endemic police corruption. It's still murder, but at least it would make sense. This just sounds like one long bout of retribution, not justice. Assuming he did kill those civilians, I hope they bring him in swiftly.<br>
<br>It might also be nice if the LAPD could man up on this one and stop shooting at shadows.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Wayne Price <<a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank">bear@moscow.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> 2020" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 8, 2013 3:55 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] We live in interesting times.......<br> </font> </div><div><div class="h5">
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<div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px">I wonder if the LAPD officers who gunned down a 71 year old hispanic woman and her 47 year old daughter will be charged with attempted murder?</span><div>
<font face="arial, helvetica">Notice that immediately the Chief of the LAPD said it was a case of mistaken identity!</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica">Lets see: 2 petite hispanic women vs 1 large black man is a mistake? A blue pick up truck vs a gray pick up truck with a ski rack is a mistake?<br>
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Newspaper carrier, 71, shot by LAPD in manhunt had 'no warning'</span><span style="font-size:12px"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica"><div style="color:rgb(102,102,102);padding-top:5px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:0px;margin-bottom:25px;border-top-width:0px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://maps.google.com/?q=Torrance%2C+CA%2C+United+States&z=4" title="Torrance, CA, United States" style="color:rgb(51,102,187)" target="_blank">Torrance</a> - A 71-year-old woman delivering newspapers with her daughter who were "accidentally" shot by LAPD searching for triple murder fugitive Christopher Dorner Thursday said they had no warning beforehand, the victims’ attorney told local media.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica"><font color="#666666"> </font></span><span style="font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">Attorney Glen T. Jonas said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance when the officers riddled the women's blue pickup with bullets.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"><div style="line-height:22px;font-size:15px;white-space:normal">
<div style="padding-bottom:15px"></div>“There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots,” Jonas said.</div></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">A patrol unit was reportedly assigned to protect the home of a high-ranking LAPD officer during the manhunt for 33-year-old Dorner, who is believed to have killed a Riverside cop Thursday and an Irvine couple Sunday.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"><div style="line-height:22px;font-size:15px;white-space:normal">
<div style="padding-bottom:15px"></div>In a news conference, Police Chief Charlie Beck said the officers thought the women’s royal blue Toyota Tacoma matched the description of Dorner’s gray Nissan Titan with ski rack.</div>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">Jonas said the women's vehicle was "the wrong color and the wrong model" compared to Dorner's.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">"The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street
justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man," Jonas said, correcting earlier news reports that the women were Asian.</span><div>
<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">Dorner is black, 6 feet tall and weighs 270 pounds.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">"Tragically, we believe this is a case of mistaken identity," Charlie Beck, chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, told reporters earlier Thursday about the shooting.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">Jonas <a rel="nofollow" href="http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/" style="color:rgb(51,102,187)" target="_blank">told</a> CBS Los Angeles that he's not buying it.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"><div style="line-height:22px;font-size:15px;white-space:normal">
<div style="padding-bottom:15px"></div></div></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">“The vehicle is a different color. The license plate doesn’t match. There’s nothing there for you to start shooting people. And even if they had the person in question… Mr. Dorner…you still have to give them an opportunity to get out. You can’t just start administering street
justice,” said Jonas.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px"><i>The Los Angeles Times</i> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-newspaper-carrier-icu-shot-by-police.html" style="color:rgb(51,102,187)" target="_blank">reported</a> Thursday night that 71-year-old Hernandez, who was shot twice in the back, is in intensive care.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">CBS added Hernandez was listed in good condition at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">Her daughter, Carranza, who was also hit, according to attorney Jonas, received stitches to a finger.</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:12px"></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:15px;line-height:22px">"We trust that the LAPD will step up and do the right thing and acknowledge that what they did was unacceptable and we'll deal with it," Jonas said<br>
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