<div>Funny seeing how it was you that brought the Bible into the discussion in the first place.</div><div> </div><div>Please forgive me if I don't bother with the link. Your cats thoughts, while likely more cogent then your own, are of little interest to me.</div>
<div> </div><div>g<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>The bottom line, g . . .</div><div><br></div><div>Regardless of your interpretation of the Bible or my interpretation of the Bible, our laws are man-made. Being agnostic, and not all that religious, I do not believe that our laws should be modeled on a theocratic culture.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Concerning your self-righteous judgmental attitude, I shared your comments with Boss Cat, a recent feline addition to the Hansen abode. Here, in terms of which I am certain you are familiar, is . . . </div>
<div><br></div><div>. . . what Boss Cat thinks.</div><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/What_Boss_Cat_Thinks.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/What_Boss_Cat_Thinks.jpg</a></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"> </span></div><div><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br>On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I'm not sure what "lie" you think you have caught me in. I suspect it manifests itself only in your mind and as such I'll simply move on.</div><div> </div><div>
Citing Matt 26:52 from various and sundry different translations does nothing to bolster the argument that it can be applied in any way to the current discussion over firearms. If the passage you cite were to be taken literally as you imply, Jesus would be in absolute error. Many people "live by the sword." Police, security guards, soldiers, professional hunters, and just plain people who are firearms enthusiasts all live by the sword, most do not die by it.</div>
<div> </div><div>Let's, for the sake of expediency, assume that the passage means exactly what you are trying to say it means. Thank you for the heads up, I'll take my chances, now go pound sand. As someone who has been a major proponent of church/state separation, I have to wonder why you even bring a bible passage into the discussion no matter how poor your understanding of it.</div>
<div> </div><div>g<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div><div><p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span><sup style="font-weight:bold;vertical-align:top">52 </sup>“Put your sword back in its place,”</span> Jesus said to him, <span>“for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.<sup style="font-weight:bold;vertical-align:top" value="(<a href="#cen-NIV-24107A" title="See cross-reference A">A</a>)"></sup></span></span></p>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:15px"><h3 style="margin:0px"><font size="3"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Matthew 26:52</span></font></h3><p style="margin:0px"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">New International Version (NIV)</span></p>
</div><div></div></div><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=NIV" target="_blank">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=NIV</a></span></div>
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</span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.</span></div>
<div><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div>- Matthew 26:52</div><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://bible.cc/matthew/26-52.htm" target="_blank">http://bible.cc/matthew/26-52.htm</a></span></div>
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</span></div><div><div><p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><sup style="font-weight:bold;vertical-align:top">52 </sup>Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.</span></p>
</div><div><h1 style="padding-top:0px;margin-top:0px"><font size="3"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Matthew 26:52 (King James Version)</span></font></h1><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=KJV" target="_blank">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=KJV</a></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div></div></div><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap">------------------------------------------</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="margin:0px 3px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:bold">52</span> <span>"Put your sword back in its place,"</span> Jesus said to him, <span>"for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span><br></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span>- Matthew 26:52</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/26-52.html" target="_blank">http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/26-52.html</a></span></div>
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</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Matthew 26:52</span></div><div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.openbible.info/labs/cross-references/search?q=Matthew+26%3A52" target="_blank">http://www.openbible.info/labs/cross-references/search?q=Matthew+26%3A52</a></span></div>
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<div>And so on . . . and so on .<span> . . and so on</span><span> </span><span>. . . and so on . . .</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>If you're gonna lie, g, at least make it a believable lie. </span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Care to share a link to the source of your "interpretation"?</span></div><div><br></div><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div>
<div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div></div><div><br>On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:36 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Calibri">Ah! One of my favorite pastimes, dueling Bible passages
used out of context.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><i>Matt. 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the
earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."</i></div>
<div><em></em> </div>
<div><em>g</em></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
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<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">Tom Hansen</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:39 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] WWJS?</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span></span></div>
<div>
<div><span>"Then Jesus said to him, 'Put
your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the
sword.'"</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div><span>- Matthew 26:52-54</span><span><br></span><br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because .
. .</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"Moscow Cares"</div>
<div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's
room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div><span style="font-size:medium">But
first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If
you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div>
<div><font size="3"><span><br></span></font></div>
<div><font size="3"><span>-
John Lennon<br></span></font>
<div> </div></div></div>
<div><br>On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Paul
Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div>
<div><br>In other words, I doubt He'd say much at
all. I don't picture him as someone who would get all worked up.
It would probably have something to do with judging the man's heart and not
the weight of iron at his hip. The apparent fact that you think he'd
find something wrong with this is the part that baffles me.<br><br>But then,
I'm not a biblical scholar.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 02/05/2013 07:34 PM, Art
Deco wrote:<br></div>
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<div>
<div>Somehow it appears that you missed the point of
WWJS?<br></div><br></div>w.<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><br>People on this list
might find this very disconcerting, but there is actually nothing evil
about owning a firearm, or carrying a firearm for defense, or even in
using a firearm not against another person or their property (though they
might frown on firing one off in church). It's only when you are
shooting another person or their property with one that the moral
ambiguities arise.<br><br>Again, because I think this point is important,
"firearm" (not equal to) "evil".<br><br>Paul<br>
<div><span><br></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">WWJS?<br><br><a href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/05/arkansas-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-churches/?hpt=hp_t2" target="_blank">http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/05/arkansas-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-churches/?hpt=hp_t2</a><br clear="all">
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