<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><I>"Just think what an evil person could do with a potato peeler and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide!"</I> </SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just think what an evil person could do with a potato peeler and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide! Are we just going to sit around until it happens?!<BR><BR>What is it with this new push for <SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>pre</SPAN>-crime laws? It's even worse than laws against thought crime, because at least then someone is at least *considering* doing something bad.<BR><BR>Just take a deep breath, people. Crime rates have been dropping since the early 90's, including homicide rates and violent crime rates. Your children are as safe now as they've ever been.<BR><BR>Paul<BR>
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<DIV>You're right, Mr. Rumelhart. Dead right!</DIV>
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<DIV>Why be proactive and assume the moral high ground now, right? <SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>There'll</SPAN> be time for that after the next six-year-old is killed by an assault rifle . . . or the one after that <SPAN>. . . or the one after that</SPAN><SPAN> . . . or the one after that</SPAN><SPAN> . . . or the one after that . . .</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>As long as you boys at the sandbox can brag about the size of your guns at the next Show-n-Tell, right?<BR></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1492703589moz-cite-prefix><BR>I do tend to follow the "innocent until <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>proven</SPAN> guilty" and "assumed innocent especially when nobody has done anything, yet" schools of thought. You may have the makings of a bomb in your house right now, cleverly hidden away in otherwise innocent household items. If someone gets a warrant and enters a residence and it contains bomb-making equipment and it's all laid out ready to be made into a bomb, that's one thing. It makes sense that certain items be restricted, too, but if you want to make a bomb you don't need exotic materials. Read through the Anarchist's Cookbook sometime. I don't suggest trying anything in there, though, you'd probably lose a limb or something.<BR><BR>I don't feel like defending the U.S's War on Drugs at this point in time.<BR><BR>As for your point about you saying something that MIGHT harm my reputation, you can say
anything you like as long as you are prepared to face the consequences if I take you to court. What's the alternative? Muzzle you?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 02/04/2013 08:23 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">What do you say about drugs? It is OK to have them in your possession, you just can't use them. Is that your view? Do you think it is fine to have all the makings for an Oklahoma-type bomb, or all the ingredients for large batches of methamphetamine, so long as you don't mix them together? Can I say lies that MIGHT harm your reputation and wait and see if it actually does harm it before you'll want to step in with sanctions?<BR><BR>I think I've made my point, and really Art made the main point. Busy week!<BR><BR>
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<DIV><BR>If the point were potential of harm, then the argument that the assault weapons ban is a ban on "military looking" weapons as opposed to "militarily useful" ones would gain more traction. <BR><BR>This is probably because the real "assault rifles" actually are banned, the fully-automatic ones. At least, those made since 1986 unless you are the police, the military, or a government agency.<BR><BR>By the way, does anyone know if there have been any challenges to that legislation (the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986) that have gone before the Supreme Court?<SPAN class=yiv1492703589HOEnZb><FONT color=#888888><BR><BR>Paul</FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>You continue to conflate outcomes with the equipment by which they are brought about.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Child porn is illegal, photographic equipment is not.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Shooting people is illegal, owning semi automatic firearms is not. (and should remain that way)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:56 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>We do in fact ban TYPES of print: child pornography, for instance. We ban types of speech, as well. That is different from banning types of guns exactly how?<BR><BR>Again, I'm not advocating any specific ban. Just that it is absurd to claim as you claim, as Paul claims, and as the NRA claims, that the 2<SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>nd</SPAN> amendment should be understood as prohibiting the banning of guns altogether.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1492703589gmail_quote>On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Gary <SPAN id=misspell-14 class=mark>Crabtree</SPAN> <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>In a effort to deter that which is undesirable </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">(yelling fire in a crowded movie theater; libel; slander; child pornography) </FONT><FONT face=Calibri>we punish the occurrences. We do not try to take away the means by banning magazines, (six words or greater) newspapers, <SPAN id=misspell-15 class=mark>internet</SPAN>, photography, or surgical removal of the tongue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 03, 2013 12:41 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Paul wrote: How is my interpretation of the Second Amendment in any way "radical"? "Radical?" Really? "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How is a government ban on a complete class of guns (based almost solely on how military they look) not an infringement of my right to keep and bear arms? Doesn't it stop me from buying an AR15, for example, not based on market forces or recalls based on safety or popularity, but because the government told me I can't own one? Doesn't that infringe on my right to keep and bear arms, if only by restricting what I can keep and bear? I don't see how this is "radical".<BR><BR>
<DIV>All rights may be infringed. Sorry. I don't want to try to figure out the founding fathers meant -- likely, the right to ban what we call "arms" cannot be infringed, which is reasonable -- but the idea that there are NO restrictions on (what we now think of as) gun sales is crazy. You can restrict speech so you sure as heck can restrict gun sales. Any view that says that we can do X under ANY circumstances provided X is listed in the Bill of Rights is a radical view.<BR><BR>Show me ONE other right that you think "shall not be infringed" in the way that you supposed gun rights shall not be infringed? Again, it is confusing. I would argue that circumstances in which your speech or expression may be restricted (yelling fire in a crowded movie theater; libel; slander; child pornography) is precisely the point at which your rights end. Again, I have a hard time saying the government is violating your right to free expression because it prohibits you from
slandering Gary <SPAN id=misspell-17 class=mark>Crabtree</SPAN>. You NEVER had that "right." You have the right to speech freely ... up to a point. That is just how rights work. <BR><BR>But of course I've already made this point!<BR></DIV></DIV>
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