<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>You have a faulty understanding of the notion of a constitutional right.</div><div><br>On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>1/ ban those guns too maybe</div>
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If only there was some Constitutional backing for that. If that
still matters, anymore.<br>
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<div>2/ and the drones. <br>
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I wouldn't "ban" them, necessarily. Better to use drones that put
boots on the ground. I'd simply suggest that we stop using them as
our President's personal kill toy.<br>
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Someday I'd like to hear this story from the perspective of one of
the remote controllers of the drones. How exactly does an average
drone assassination go down?<br>
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On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
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You know, I could get behind these attempts to portray
people who are against the assault weapons ban as sociopaths
or schizophrenics, if it weren't for the following things:<br>
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1. If the proponents of these bans weren't so disingenuous
with their wording. "Assault weapon" is a look-and-feel
definition, not a usage-based one. A Ruger Mini 14 is just
as deadly in a spree shooting as an AR15, but it's not
considered an "assault weapon" because it doesn't look
enough like a movie prop. I've both made this kind of
comment on this list before and have seen it made here many
times. I haven't seen anyone answer it. What is the use of
banning a weapon based on how military it looks? Why ban
guns with barrel shrouds? All they do is keep you from
burning yourself on the barrel. Or bayonet mounts? Are we
really worried about the latest rash of gun stabbings? My
conclusion: it's only useful politically.<br>
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2. If they weren't so intent to ride the "think of the
children" wave. If the deaths of school children should be
driving our behaviors, then how about we overhaul the drone
program? Lots of children are dying every day via drones,
all OK'd by our sitting President. I posted an article
about that a few days ago, I think. So why is the outrage
over Newtown driving the assault weapons ban but there is no
outrage over drone-killings? The only differences I can see
are that the Newtown angle has been in the news non-stop
while there is very little reporting on personally
sanctioned assassinations by our President and that the
children killed by drones are brown and not white.
"Foreign" and not "domestic", if that makes you sleep
better. Also, every new gun-related incident gets center
stage attention, as if these kinds of tragedies haven't been
happening all the time. Suddenly, a switch is thrown and
we're all outraged about them.<br>
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Now, I can get behind better background checks. I'd like to
see more focus on how we can keep guns out of the hands of
the mentally ill as well, as long as we're careful about
people's rights so a random Joe can't be suddenly labeled
"mentally ill" because he or she owns an AR15 or for some
other trumped up reason. Better databases covering gun
sales would also make sense, though I can understand the
concerns that if they know about your guns they can also
come take them away. More training on gun handling and
safety would also not go amiss.<br>
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But this push to ban "assault weapons" is blatant political
theater. The magazine size restrictions are idiotic, as
well. It takes a second to swap a magazine if you've
practiced it a few times. Pick up the magazine, release the
current one and let it drop, shove the new one home. <br>
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tl;dr version: gun control is currently all about political
expediency when it should be all about actual effectiveness.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 02/02/2013 09:26 AM, Moscow Cares wrote:<br>
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<div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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