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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/02/2013 01:09 PM, Joe Campbell
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      <div>1/ ban those guns too maybe</div>
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    If only there was some Constitutional backing for that.  If that
    still matters, anymore.<br>
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      <div>2/ and the drones. <br>
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    I wouldn't "ban" them, necessarily.  Better to use drones that put
    boots on the ground.  I'd simply suggest that we stop using them as
    our President's personal kill toy.<br>
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    Someday I'd like to hear this story from the perspective of one of
    the remote controllers of the drones.  How exactly does an average
    drone assassination go down?<br>
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    Paul<br>
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        On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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            You know, I could get behind these attempts to portray
            people who are against the assault weapons ban as sociopaths
            or schizophrenics, if it weren't for the following things:<br>
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            1.  If the proponents of these bans weren't so disingenuous
            with their wording.  "Assault weapon" is a look-and-feel
            definition, not a usage-based one.  A Ruger Mini 14 is just
            as deadly in a spree shooting as an AR15, but it's not
            considered an "assault weapon" because it doesn't look
            enough like a movie prop.  I've both made this kind of
            comment on this list before and have seen it made here many
            times.  I haven't seen anyone answer it.  What is the use of
            banning a weapon based on how military it looks?  Why ban
            guns with barrel shrouds?  All they do is keep you from
            burning yourself on the barrel.  Or bayonet mounts?  Are we
            really worried about the latest rash of gun stabbings?  My
            conclusion: it's only useful politically.<br>
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            2.  If they weren't so intent to ride the "think of the
            children" wave.  If the deaths of school children should be
            driving our behaviors, then how about we overhaul the drone
            program?  Lots of children are dying every day via drones,
            all OK'd by our sitting President.  I posted an article
            about that a few days ago, I think.  So why is the outrage
            over Newtown driving the assault weapons ban but there is no
            outrage over drone-killings?  The only differences I can see
            are that the Newtown angle has been in the news non-stop
            while there is very little reporting on personally
            sanctioned assassinations by our President and that the
            children killed by drones are brown and not white. 
            "Foreign" and not "domestic", if that makes you sleep
            better.  Also, every new gun-related incident gets center
            stage attention, as if these kinds of tragedies haven't been
            happening all the time.  Suddenly, a switch is thrown and
            we're all outraged about them.<br>
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            Now, I can get behind better background checks.  I'd like to
            see more focus on how we can keep guns out of the hands of
            the mentally ill as well, as long as we're careful about
            people's rights so a random Joe can't be suddenly labeled
            "mentally ill" because he or she owns an AR15 or for some
            other trumped up reason.  Better databases covering gun
            sales would also make sense, though I can understand the
            concerns that if they know about your guns they can also
            come take them away.  More training on gun handling and
            safety would also not go amiss.<br>
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            But this push to ban "assault weapons" is blatant political
            theater.  The magazine size restrictions are idiotic, as
            well.  It takes a second to swap a magazine if you've
            practiced it a few times.  Pick up the magazine, release the
            current one and let it drop, shove the new one home. <br>
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            tl;dr version: gun control is currently all about political
            expediency when it should be all about actual effectiveness.<br>
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            Paul<br>
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            On 02/02/2013 09:26 AM, Moscow Cares wrote:<br>
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              <div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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              <div>"Moscow Cares"</div>
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                <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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                <div>"<span style="font-size: medium;
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                    0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,
                    192, 227, 0.230469);
                    -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                    0.230469); ">There's room at the top they are
                    telling you still</span><span style="font-size:
                    medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26,
                    26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                    rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
                    -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                    0.230469); "> </span></div>
                <span style="font-size: medium;
                  -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26,
                  0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,
                  192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:
                  rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But first you must
                  learn how to smile as you kill </span><br
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                <span style="font-size: medium;
                  -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26,
                  0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,
                  192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:
                  rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">If you want to be like
                  the folks on the hill."</span></div>
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                    192, 227, 0.230469);
                    -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                    0.230469);">- John Lennon<br>
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              On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Art Deco <<a
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                    Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>
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