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Roger,<br><br>I like the man RFK became, not the man he was when he was working with the likes of McCarthy.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:55:03 +0100<br>> To: lfalen@turbonet.com; suehovey@moscow.com; philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>> From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> <br>> Correction, Bobby Kennedy was an Assistant Counsel to McCarthy.<br>> Roger<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> >-----Original Message-----<br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >From: lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>> >To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey@moscow.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br>> >Date: 01/21/13 19:30:56<br>> ><br>> >Joe Mccarthy was right over 90% of the time. He did bring to light a lot of communist activity. The daring of liberals( Bobby Kennedy) worked with him as a council on the HUAC. But just like Dees and Potok he was some times wrong. I sitll say that before you believe what Potok or Dees say, check it out with Alan Dershowitz.<br>> >Roger<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >>-----Original Message-----<br>> >>Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey@moscow.com><br>> >>To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com>, lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>> >>Date: 01/21/13 01:22:02<br>> >><br>> >>Rush Limbaugh apologized! That was no apology, &quot;I sincerely apologize for <br>> >>using those words.&quot; Cripes. And he missed her point entirely when he went <br>> >>on to justify himself. I'm guessing I did see those &quot;fact&quot; sheets to which <br>> >>you refer, and also the divorce piece which I quit reading after questioning <br>> >>its legitimacy, as well. Even the fellow who posted it said he couldn't <br>> >>attest to its legitimacy. Then there was this really great white supremacy <br>> >>web site that had a lot of stuff. Sorry, I saw nothing I would consider <br>> >>legitimate. I read somewhere in all this that Glen Beck had some info...so <br>> >>I repeat.....<br>> >>And when did Joe McCarthy ever do any good?<br>> >><br>> >>Sue<br>> >><br>> >>-----Original Message----- <br>> >>From: lfalen<br>> >>Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:31 PM<br>> >>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell<br>> >>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com ; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >><br>> >>Try looking for Morris Dees devorce or Morris Dees fact sheet. You may <br>> >>discount this sources if you like also. Rush was out of line on Sandra Fluke <br>> >>and he apoligized for it. I am not saying Dees did not do some good things, <br>> >>only that like Joe McCarthy he has gone overboard.<br>> >>Roger<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>>-----Original Message-----<br>> >>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>>From: &quot;Sue Hovey&quot; <suehovey@moscow.com><br>> >>>To: &quot;Joe Campbell&quot; <philosopher.joe@gmail.com>, lfalen <br>> >>><lfalen@turbonet.com><br>> >>>Date: 01/20/13 05:58:34<br>> >>><br>> >>>Roger,<br>> >>><br>> >>>I looked and can't find anything that records a charge against Dees for<br>> >>>either incest or child abuse. There's a lot of extremist web talking about<br>> >>>the subject of Dees which hammers at him for his ties to Jews, and the <br>> >>>other<br>> >>>behavior, but I can't find anything really convincing. I would assume hate<br>> >>>groups would libel and slander him, but where are the believable sources? <br>> >>>I<br>> >>>didn't find any, and did find a statement the SPLC continues to battle <br>> >>>those<br>> >>>groups for their words against him: liar, public sex offender, abuser,<br>> >>>incestuous, arrogant, etc. I only worked with Dees in groups, so I can't<br>> >>>say we have ever had any personal conversations, but I have never even <br>> >>>found<br>> >>>him to be arrogant, and certainly nothing I ever saw of him would lead me <br>> >>>to<br>> >>>believe any of the other accusations.<br>> >>><br>> >>>If for no other reason, Idaho citizens owe him and the SPLC a great debt <br>> >>>for<br>> >>>finally getting Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations.<br>> >>><br>> >>>I'm thinking the sources tying Dees is to child abuse are as legitimate as<br>> >>>Limbaugh tying Sandra Fluke is to prostitution...<br>> >>><br>> >>>Sue H<br>> >>><br>> >>>-----Original Message----- <br>> >>>From: lfalen<br>> >>>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:09 AM<br>> >>>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell<br>> >>>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com ; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>Subject: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>><br>> >>>The SPLC has done some good work in regard to groups like the KKK. Morris<br>> >>>Dees has gone overboard in in labeling groups like the League of the South<br>> >>>as a hate group. They have members from all races. As to his character, he<br>> >>>has been charges with incest and child abuse. Mark Potok has lableled most<br>> >>>patriot groups as hate groups, Rush Limbaugh in particular. Note I am not a<br>> >>>big fan of Rush's . On the aniversary of the Spanish Civil War he gave a<br>> >>>glowing report on the Abraham Lincoln Brigade with out mention ing that it<br>> >>>was a communist front group.<br>> >>>Again the SPLC has done some good, but these two go overboard. For those<br>> >>>that condemn Joe McCarthy for going overboard, they should do the same for<br>> >>>these two.<br>> >>>Roger<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>>-----Original Message-----<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>>>From: &amp;quot;Sue Hovey&amp;quot; <suehovey@moscow.com><br>> >>>>To: &amp;quot;Joe Campbell&amp;quot; <philosopher.joe@gmail.com>, lfalen<br>> >>>><lfalen@turbonet.com><br>> >>>>Date: 01/17/13 08:56:34<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>An example of blasting everyone on the right?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>-----Original Message----- <br>> >>>>From: lfalen<br>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:15 AM<br>> >>>>To: Joe Campbell<br>> >>>>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com ; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>The Southern Poverty Law center is a mixed bag. They do do some good work.<br>> >>>>Mark Potok and Morris Dees tend to take the shot gun approch and blast<br>> >>>>every<br>> >>>>one on the right. Alan Dershowitz is much more careful.<br>> >>>>Roger<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>-----Original Message-----<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>>>From: &amp;amp;quot;Joe Campbell&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>To: lfalen<br>> >>>>Date: 01/16/13 20:22:48<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>What is wrong with the Southern Poverty Law Center? Didn't they chase away<br>> >>>>the Neo-Nazis up north? Joe<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com> wrote:<br>> >>>>I would also like to thank Saundra for her research. I would hope that <br>> >>>>this<br>> >>>>group never gets off the ground, we do not need them in this area. However<br>> >>>>any group should have the right to build and live in any voluntary manner<br>> >>>>the chose. I would never want to live in one, but I would also support the<br>> >>>>right of the Hutterites to build a commune here. As for the Sounthern<br>> >>>>Poverty Law Center, I have a fair amount of respect for Alan Dershowitz,<br>> >>>>not<br>> >>>>so much for Mark Potok,.<br>> >>>>Roger<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>-----Original Message-----<br>> >>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Another hate group?<br>> >>>>From: rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>>To: &amp;amp;quot;Saundra Lund&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>Date: 01/16/13 19:43:40<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>Very good research &amp;amp;quot;Saundra.Below is the quote and below that is <br>> >>>>the<br>> >>>>link<br>> >>>>you asked for.While they don't yet seem to espouse the typical hate<br>> >>>>rhetoric, I don't think they will be fun neighbors if the dubious plan<br>> >>>>goes<br>> >>>>forward. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center,<br>> >>>>said he doubts the group is any bigger than one or two individuals looking<br>> >>>>to win a following. He called it nothing more than an idle <br>> >>>>fantasy.&amp;amp;quot;We<br>> >>>>don't<br>> >>>>know who's behind it, but the claim that there are several hundred people<br>> >>>>involved is patently ludicrous,&amp;amp;quot; Potok said. &amp;amp;quot;We're <br>> >>>>likely<br>> >>>>talking about a<br>> >>>>man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole imaginary city. We <br>> >>>>don't<br>> >>>>take it that seriously.&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>Read more:<br>> >>>>http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2IAHyZvCs<br>> >>>> From: Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm><br>> >>>>To: 'Sunil Ramalingam' <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>; keim153@gmail.com<br>> >>>>Cc: 'vision 2020' <vision2020@moscow.com>; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 AM<br>> >>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Another hate group<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>At the risk of Paul again confusing discussion with hate . . . Roger<br>> >>>>(Falen)<br>> >>>>wrote:&amp;amp;quot;I do not know anything about this group, but how does <br>> >>>>anyone<br>> >>>>know<br>> >>>>that they are a hate group? A little bit wako probably, but not<br>> >>>>necessarily<br>> >>>>a hate group.&amp;amp;quot; I think the question is a good one, and I don't <br>> >>>>think<br>> >>>>we<br>> >>>>know the answer to it. After all, hate groups rarely (if ever) consider<br>> >>>>themselves to be hate groups, you know J And, what they say for public<br>> >>>>consumption is often quite different than what they say amongst the inner<br>> >>>>circle. To back up a bit, I can't find anything where the SPLC has looked<br>> >>>>at the Citadel and its separate but integral III Arms - Roger (Hayes), can<br>> >>>>you provide a link? The group clearly considers itself to be part of the<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;Patriot&amp;amp;quot; movement &amp;amp;amp; reveres John Wesley, Rawls <br>> >>>>(yawn, one of<br>> >>>>those highly<br>> >>>>paid anti-government doomsday/prepper/survivalist types) and his<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;American Redoubt.&amp;amp;quot; Rawls, however, has recently <br>> >>>>disavowed any<br>> >>>>connection<br>> >>>>to III Citadel, which I found hilarious, while failing to distance himself<br>> >>>>from the weapons manufacture of III Arms Company, which is how this group<br>> >>>>expects to fund the III Citadel. They've supposedly purchased 20 acres <br>> >>>>(so<br>> >>>>far) in the St. Maries area &amp;amp;amp; plan on starting to build the III <br>> >>>>Arms<br>> >>>>factory<br>> >>>>(the first phase) there in early-to-mid year. At this point, I think <br>> >>>>their<br>> >>>>weapons are still being custom-manufactured in WV . . . if they are<br>> >>>>actually<br>> >>>>being made at all. And, in my book, the interesting thing about the III<br>> >>>>Citadel is the III Arms Company - lots of right-wing extremists have<br>> >>>>attempted to establish insular communities, but they typically fail, is<br>> >>>>seems to me, because of the finances (as well as in-fighting, not to<br>> >>>>mention<br>> >>>>not being able to play well with others, something the III Citadel/III <br>> >>>>Arms<br>> >>>>Company hasn't avoided). III Arms Company is an attempt (or perhaps a<br>> >>>>scam)<br>> >>>>to provide funding to make the III Citadel a reality (or a more profitable<br>> >>>>scam). The whole thing makes me think of a bunch of silly role-playing<br>> >>>>teenagers enamored with their interpretation of the Second Amendment <br>> >>>>trying<br>> >>>>to form a doomsday utopia as an excuse for their hoarding tendencies <br>> >>>>&amp;amp;amp;<br>> >>>>expensive deadly toys. However, I find the psychology very interesting! <br>> >>>>In<br>> >>>>tough economic times, it's fascinating to me that anyone would turn over<br>> >>>>$208 to &amp;amp;quot;apply&amp;amp;quot; to lease a &amp;amp;quot;home&amp;amp;quot; in a <br>> >>>>walled community<br>> >>>>that probably won't<br>> >>>>exist anytime soon. They estimate that the cost of that silly wall alone<br>> >>>>will cost in the neighborhood of $25 million. An examination of the <br>> >>>>stated<br>> >>>>goals of the III Citadel community and associated costs aren't realistic,<br>> >>>>financially or otherwise. Reading the blogs of those involved shows -at<br>> >>>>best - a stunning ignorance of basics like sustainability, economics, <br>> >>>>legal<br>> >>>>principles, weather in Benewah County, growing seasons, roads,<br>> >>>>accessibility, etc. But . . . it gets even better J III Arms claims <br>> >>>>that<br>> >>>>it's a non-profit! I kid you not J<br>> >>>>http://iiiarms.blogspot.com/2012/11/black-rifle-friday.html &amp;amp;quot;And<br>> >>>>remember,<br>> >>>>III Arms is not a for-profit company. All proceeds go to the Citadel<br>> >>>>Project, to help build a bastion of Liberty for us all.&amp;amp;quot; <br>> >>>>ROTFLOF!!!<br>> >>>>But,<br>> >>>>wait: it gets even better J Has anyone besides me wondered why the III<br>> >>>>Citadel is collecting money but doesn't have a spokesperson? Curious,<br>> >>>>don't<br>> >>>>you think? Well, perhaps it's because the person behind the <br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;firearms<br>> >>>>arms<br>> >>>>required&amp;amp;quot; III Citadel and initially behind III Arms Co. is a <br>> >>>>federally<br>> >>>>convicted felon who apparently isn't even able to legally own a firearm J<br>> >>>>I kid you not! I've been trying<br>> >>>>to track down rumors &amp;amp;amp; facts for a couple of weeks now since Tom <br>> >>>>first<br>> >>>>posted, and the earliest references I've been able to find originated with<br>> >>>>a<br>> >>>>man apparently named Christian or Chris Kerodin, which may or may not be<br>> >>>>his<br>> >>>>real name since he's a dude with a lot of apparent aliases, scams, and<br>> >>>>blogs. But, in reading his blogs, he definitely seems to be this<br>> >>>>guy:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/26/20040326-124129-2670r/print/An<br>> >>>>Alexandria, Va., man was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 30 months<br>> >>>>in prison and fined $6,000 after he pleaded guilty in January to charges <br>> >>>>of<br>> >>>>extortion and possessing an unregistered short-barreled rifle.U.S. <br>> >>>>Attorney<br>> >>>>Paul J. McNulty in Alexandria said Christian Kerodin, 36, was sentenced by<br>> >>>>U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, who also ordered that the prison <br>> >>>>term<br>> >>>>be followed by three years of supervised release.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin<br>> >>>>published a report on the Internet in May titled &amp;amp;quot;Terrorist <br>> >>>>Target<br>> >>>>List:<br>> >>>>American Retailers &amp;amp;amp; Restaurants,&amp;amp;quot; which said shopping <br>> >>>>venues were<br>> >>>>likely to<br>> >>>>be prime targets for terrorist attacks and billed himself as a security<br>> >>>>expert.A month later, he said, Kerodin contacted officials at the Fashion<br>> >>>>Centre at Pentagon City, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria, saying that a<br>> >>>>new edition of his Internet report was due shortly and that if they<br>> >>>>contracted with him for security assessments, he would not include their<br>> >>>>names in the new report as needing security upgrades.The Fashion Centre is<br>> >>>>owned by the Simon Property Group, and Landmark and Tysons Galleria are<br>> >>>>owned by General Growth Properties Inc.Mr. McNulty said mall officials<br>> >>>>asked<br>> >>>>Kerodin to provide the names of other clients for references or to supply<br>> >>>>credentials for persons who worked for his company. He refused, saying he<br>> >>>>did not need<br>> >>>>experience to be an expert in counterterrorism. None of the malls hired<br>> >>>>him.In July, Kerodin published the report, which criticized several area<br>> >>>>shopping malls for being vulnerable to terrorist attacks, specifically<br>> >>>>criticizing the Fashion Centre, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria. Mr.<br>> >>>>McNulty said Kerodin recontacted officials at Simon and General Growth by<br>> >>>>letter and threatened to release similarly negative reports on 14 other<br>> >>>>properties that the companies owned.An agent from the Department of<br>> >>>>Homeland<br>> >>>>Security posing as a mall executive then contacted Kerodin, telling him <br>> >>>>the<br>> >>>>malls had hired another security company and asking that they not be<br>> >>>>included in additional reports. The agent also offered Kerodin $40,000 to<br>> >>>>be<br>> >>>>left out of any new reports.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin rejected the offer <br>> >>>>and<br>> >>>>demanded $122,500. He then was arrested.&amp;amp;quot;This defendant took <br>> >>>>advantage<br>> >>>>of<br>> >>>>the heightened<br>> >>>>concern we all have to protect ourselves from terrorism. It is<br>> >>>>reprehensible<br>> >>>>that someone would exploit that concern for personal gain,&amp;amp;quot; Mr.<br>> >>>>McNulty<br>> >>>>said.Huh. I guess their definition of &amp;amp;quot;law-abiding&amp;amp;quot; is <br>> >>>>quite a<br>> >>>>bit<br>> >>>>different than is mine. And, I feel soooo much better (not!) that it's <br>> >>>>his<br>> >>>>wife Holly, rather than convicted felon Christian Kerodin himself, who is<br>> >>>>listed with the Idaho Secretary of State as a &amp;amp;quot;member or <br>> >>>>manager&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>of III<br>> >>>>Arms Company, LLC:http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/W116214.html <br>> >>>>I<br>> >>>>highly recommend checking out (one of) Kerodin's blogs. Here's a<br>> >>>>sample:http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-absence-of-orders-go-find-something.html<br>> >>>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.I borrowed <br>> >>>>the<br>> >>>>title from WRSA.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>I think you will see this phrase again on this blog.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>If we are Citizen Soldiers, a Leaderless entity, or small groups of<br>> >>>>Patriots<br>> >>>>who have installed a command structure among themselves, but otherwise<br>> >>>>answer to no central command, then it is incumbant upon each of us to<br>> >>>>shoulder our portion of the burden and act independantly.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>You'll know when. You already know who. You should know where they are in<br>> >>>>your AO.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>You know what is Evil.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>You know what it is going to take to backfist the Tyrants out of our lives<br>> >>>>for the next few generations. Fight to the knife, and knife to the hilt...<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>Standing Orders: In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill<br>> >>>>it.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>Kerodin<br>> >>>>III Wow - that's just the kind of dude I want as an Idahoan!!! Is that,<br>> >>>>and<br>> >>>>a lot of other vitriol he's written, &amp;amp;quot;hate&amp;amp;quot;? Rather than <br>> >>>>recount<br>> >>>>a lot of<br>> >>>>details, an article providing lots of interesting background was just<br>> >>>>published:http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/James<br>> >>>>L. Miller is many things, a motorcycle enthusiast, accused online scammer,<br>> >>>>doomsday prepper, gunmaker and cat lover. Christian Kerodin also wears a<br>> >>>>number of hats; he is an air conditioning repairman, blogger, author,<br>> >>>>self-styled security consultant and convicted extortionist. Both men also<br>> >>>>seem to be the masterminds behind a plan to build a massive, armed<br>> >>>>survivalist compound in Idaho that has been making national<br>> >>>>headlines.According to the website of the Citadel, it will be a<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;community<br>> >>>>of 3,500 - 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who voluntarily<br>> >>>>choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of<br>> >>>>Rightful Liberty&amp;amp;quot; and is being planned for Northern Idaho. Among <br>> >>>>other<br>> >>>>things, the designs for the Citadel include a &amp;amp;quot;perimeter <br>> >>>>defense&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>with<br>> >>>>castle-style fortified walls and towers, an on-site gun factory, hotels,<br>> >>>>schools, a &amp;amp;quot;firearms museum,&amp;amp;quot; a &amp;amp;quot;town <br>> >>>>militia,&amp;amp;quot; jail<br>> >>>>and farmer's market. As<br>> >>>>of now, the community is planned for Benewah County in Northern Idaho.<br>> >>>>Prospective residents of the Citadel are asked to submit to an application<br>> >>>>process that includes agreeing to participate in the militia and pass<br>> >>>>periodic proficiency tests with multiple types of <br>> >>>>firearms.&amp;amp;quot;Marxists,<br>> >>>>Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that<br>> >>>>life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and<br>> >>>>preferred lifestyles,&amp;amp;quot; the website says.Though the Citadel <br>> >>>>website<br>> >>>>claims<br>> >>>>the group has no &amp;amp;quot;leader&amp;amp;quot; and is<br>> >>>>the work of &amp;amp;quot;scores of Liberty-loving individuals,&amp;amp;quot; it <br>> >>>>appears<br>> >>>>Mr. Miller<br>> >>>>and Mr. Kerodin are two of the main forces behind the project. The roman<br>> >>>>numeral in the community's name seems to be derived from &amp;amp;quot;III <br>> >>>>Percent<br>> >>>>Patriots,&amp;amp;quot; a blog operated by Mr. Kerodin where the early <br>> >>>>discussions<br>> >>>>were<br>> >>>>held planning the Citadel's design and potential locations. An entry on <br>> >>>>Mr.<br>> >>>>Kerodin's personal website describes the meaning of the term &amp;amp;quot;III<br>> >>>>Percent<br>> >>>>Patriots.&amp;amp;quot;&amp;amp;quot;Historians consider that about 3 percent of <br>> >>>>Americans<br>> >>>>took arms<br>> >>>>and challenged the King during the Revolution. 3 percent. III Percent.<br>> >>>>Threepers. Patriots. We exist today,&amp;amp;quot; Mr. Kerodin wrote. <br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;We are<br>> >>>>that<br>> >>>>percentage of Americans who have the tools and mettle of the Militiaman <br>> >>>>who<br>> >>>>stand and have drawn a hard line for the Hard Right of the political<br>> >>>>spectrum.&amp;amp;quot;Along with his political activities, Mr. Kerodin has <br>> >>>>also<br>> >>>>worked<br>> >>>>as a repairman for<br>> >>>>heating and air conditioning systems. In 2002, Mr. Kerodin started a<br>> >>>>security consultancy. The following year, he printed an eight-page <br>> >>>>analysis<br>> >>>>of terrorism weaknesses at shopping malls in the Washington D.C. area.<br>> >>>>According to reports from the time, he subsequently contacted mall<br>> >>>>operators<br>> >>>>in the area and told them they would be included in other similar analyses<br>> >>>>if they did not hire him to conduct security assessments. A concerned<br>> >>>>company contacted the Secret Service who had an undercover agent contact<br>> >>>>Mr.<br>> >>>>Kerodin who allegedly agreed to keep the business out of his reports after<br>> >>>>accepting a $120,000 check. He was arrested and indicted for an extortion<br>> >>>>charge to which he plead guilty. Mr. Kerodin was sentenced to 30 months in<br>> >>>>prison for the crime and an associated firearms charge. As a federal <br>> >>>>felon,<br>> >>>>Mr. Kerodin cannot own a weapon, but on his website, he says he is<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;exploring&amp;amp;quot; legal<br>> >>>>avenues to &amp;amp;quot;recover&amp;amp;quot; his &amp;amp;quot;firearms <br>> >>>>rights.&amp;amp;quot;In one of<br>> >>>>the Citadel planning<br>> >>>>posts on Mr. Kerodin's blogs, a commenter using an online alias linked to<br>> >>>>Mr. Miller, &amp;amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;amp;quot; offers to bring his <br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;firearm<br>> >>>>smithing&amp;amp;quot; skills to<br>> >>>>the community. &amp;amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;amp;quot; is also one of the authors <br>> >>>>of the<br>> >>>>Citadel blog.<br>> >>>>In addition to being his online alias, &amp;amp;quot;Millerized&amp;amp;quot; was <br>> >>>>also the<br>> >>>>name of a<br>> >>>>company previously by Mr. Miller that originally made motorcycle parts.<br>> >>>>Last<br>> >>>>October, Millerized began doing business as &amp;amp;quot;III Arms.&amp;amp;quot; <br>> >>>>The III<br>> >>>>Arms website<br>> >>>>describes it as a firearms company &amp;amp;quot;dedicated to building <br>> >>>>first-class<br>> >>>>fighting arms for the defense of Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.&amp;amp;quot; <br>> >>>>III<br>> >>>>Arms<br>> >>>>will have a factory inside the Citadel's walls that is planned to be the<br>> >>>>prime source of revenue and employment for the project's early residents.<br>> >>>>Mr. Miller is identified on LinkedIn as the &amp;amp;quot;president&amp;amp;quot; <br>> >>>>of III<br>> >>>>Arms.In<br>> >>>>addition<br>> >>>>to Mr. Miller's business activities, he has an extensive digital trail <br>> >>>>that<br>> >>>>includes &amp;amp;quot;Millerized's&amp;amp;quot; participation in sites for <br>> >>>>self-described<br>> >>>>doomsday<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;preppers&amp;amp;quot; and survivalists. On one of these forums, <br>> >>>>Millerized<br>> >>>>describes<br>> >>>>work done in his house where he has multiple cats. A web page tied to Mr.<br>> >>>>Miller's name and address is also identified as having participated in<br>> >>>>so-called &amp;amp;quot;phishing&amp;amp;quot; scams on a site dedicated to <br>> >>>>identifying<br>> >>>>these<br>> >>>>fraudulent attempts to obtain personal information.As of this writing,<br>> >>>>neither Mr. Miller or Mr. Kerodin have responded to multiple requests for<br>> >>>>comment on this story. However, Mr. Miller seems to be enjoying the<br>> >>>>attention the Citadel has recently received. A Facebook page that seems to<br>> >>>>belong to Mr. Miller features pictures of customized military fatigues <br>> >>>>with<br>> >>>>the III Arms logo and the words &amp;amp;quot;Millerized&amp;amp;quot; and<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;Patriot.&amp;amp;quot; It also includes<br>> >>>>a picture of one of<br>> >>>>the Citadel's more prominent media mentions, a headline about the <br>> >>>>community<br>> >>>>on the Drudge Report accompanied by the following caption from Mr.<br>> >>>>Miller:&amp;amp;quot;We are now huge.&amp;amp;quot;For those interested in <br>> >>>>learning more,<br>> >>>>remember<br>> >>>>Google is your friend, but be prepared to shower frequently. What's that<br>> >>>>saying? Oh, yeah, &amp;amp;quot;A fool and his money are soon <br>> >>>>parted.&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>Personally, I<br>> >>>>prefer to take the &amp;amp;quot;scam&amp;amp;quot; perspective because the <br>> >>>>alternative is<br>> >>>>enough to<br>> >>>>chill the bones of any person with connected brain cells. Saundra<br>> >>>>LundMoscow, ID To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards <br>> >>>>out<br>> >>>>of men.~ Abraham Lincoln From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>> >>>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam<br>> >>>>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:50 PM<br>> >>>>To: keim153@gmail.com<br>> >>>>Cc: vision 2020; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group Darrell,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last month; I<br>> >>>>think it was Tom.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>SunilDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group<br>> >>>>From: keim153@gmail.com<br>> >>>>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>> >>>>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>I am the original poster of this topic. I never called it a hate group. <br>> >>>>I<br>> >>>>called them survivalists. I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a<br>> >>>>hate<br>> >>>>tagline. What say you, Roger?On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil<br>> >>>>Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com> wrote:I'm with Roger on this.<br>> >>>>Maybe<br>> >>>>they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>What is the evidence behind that claim?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>SunilDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100<br>> >>>>To: thansen@moscow.com; keim153@gmail.com<br>> >>>>From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> >>>>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate groupI do not know anything about<br>> >>>>this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group? A little<br>> >>>>bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>-----Original Message-----<br>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group<br>> >>>>From: &amp;amp;quot;Tom Hansen&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>To: &amp;amp;quot;Darrell Keim&amp;amp;quot;<br>> >>>>Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16How's this for <br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;freedom&amp;amp;quot;&amp;amp;quot; My father<br>> >>>>was a POW in<br>> >>>>Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2. I am convinced<br>> >>>>that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents of <br>> >>>>the<br>> >>>>Citadel.Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . . &amp;amp;quot;Moscow<br>> >>>>Cares&amp;amp;quot;http://www.moscowcares.com/ Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho<br>> >>>>&amp;amp;quot;There's room at<br>> >>>>the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to <br>> >>>>smile<br>> >>>>as you kill<br>> >>>>If you want to be like the folks on the hill.&amp;amp;quot; - John Lennon<br>> >>>>On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>Goodie. So it will be like Bo Gritz &amp;amp;quot;Almost Heaven&amp;amp;quot; <br>> >>>>near Kamiah.<br>> >>>>Wonderful.On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes@frontier.com<br>> >>>><rhayes@frontier.com> wrote: The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed<br>> >>>>this &amp;amp;quot;group&amp;amp;quot; as a couple of guys with a computer who are <br>> >>>>trying<br>> >>>>to drum up a<br>> >>>>following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>=======================================================<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>=======================================================<br>> >>>>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>=======================================================<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>=======================================================<br>> >>>>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>=======================================================<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >=======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >=======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br></div> </div></body>
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