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On 01/21/2013 09:55 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Actually
Paul, you have no idea what my “agenda” is. Let me help you
to understand what would happen if I were Queen of the
Universe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Rose’s
Rules of Weapon Ownership. (And by the way there is a
little jingo about guns that you probably don’t know because
you were never in the Marine Corps. Delicacy prevents me
from sharing it, but IMO the word weapon is actually a
better choice of nouns in public discourse.)</span></p>
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I did time at Annapolis, I've heard it.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Proof
of successful completion of a certified weapon safety class
(probably at least twenty hours of class room instruction
and at least ten hours on a firing range) for anyone who
has not served on active duty in the military or graduated
from a law enforcement academy prior to purchasing a weapon.</span></p>
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I like this one, depending on the details.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Universal
background check for <b>all</b> weapon dealers and buyers</span></p>
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Sounds good in theory, but how do you stop your cousin Fred from
selling me a pistol? Assuming I'm on the naughty list, of course.
What incentive does he have to make sure I'm not a felon, or
mentally unfit to own a weapon?<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Required
bonds for all weapon owners on a graduated scale depending
on the type and number of weapons and munitions owned. I’d
called it a Liberty Levy.</span></p>
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So now someone gets to rake in the dough because I own something
that the Constitution itself says my ownership of cannot be
infringed upon. Who cashes my check? Now I'm in a position where I
have to pay through the nose to try to keep myself safe.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">No
legal magazines or clips can exceed five rounds.</span></p>
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Really, five rounds? What do you do with revolvers, plug one of the
holes? <br>
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Proof
of ownership of a weapon safe or sufficient trigger locks to
disable the weapon when it is not in use. Any owner of a
weapon used in a criminal act is liable for prosecution
unless the gun owner can prove that he/she has filed a
stolen weapon report prior to the commission of the crime in
which it was used.</span></p>
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There are a lot of details to be hashed out here, but I like the
idea of encouraging safe weapon storage when they are not in use.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Prosecution
of all private, unregulated weapon sales (seller and
purchaser)</span></p>
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To be enforceable, that would require a database of all guns and
their current owners. Good luck going door to door asking to
inspect people's weapons. Not a job I'd want.<br>
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Mental
health intervention for anyone who thinks a gun offers
protection in a “dark and dangerous world” – which sounds
more like a whine from a drug dealing, chaw-chewing,
criminal in Harlan County (check out Justified tomorrow
night) than a resident of Moscow, Idaho.</span></p>
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<br>
I distinctly remember hearing the sound of gunfire one night a few
years ago coming from the direction of the courthouse. Feel free to
live in your happy little world where people can't be hurt. With
any luck at all, you'll die a very old woman who has never had
anything dangerous happen to them and you will feel completely
vindicated on your death bed, secure in your knowledge that bad
things only happen to other people. Me, I'd rather hope for the
best and prepare for the worst.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Every
aspiring weapon owner and yada yada yada jackass who sprouts
off about 2<sup>nd</sup> amendment rights must demonstrate a
clear understanding of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html"><span
style="color:windowtext">District of Columbia vs. Heller</span></a>
.</span></p>
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<br>
I didn't put the spin on it you were hoping for, apparently. So,
tell me, what gun control inspiring narrative do you take from that
decision?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Get
over yourself. Now. I’m done with this pointless exchange.</span></p>
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Oh. Well, never mind then.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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Huskey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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Paul Rumelhart [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 21, 2013 8:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rosemary Huskey; Gary Crabtree; vision 2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Happy gun violence day!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
I wasn't trying to be cryptic. Your agenda is to ban guns,
presumably out of a short-sighted attempt to save children's
lives. I didn't say it was an evil agenda. In so doing,
you would take away some of my ability to protect myself and
my loved ones from a dark and dangerous world. It's
short-sighted because it focuses on the wrong thing. It's
not the gun that's the problem, it's the people willing to
use one to kill children.<br>
<br>
And don't try to sell me the line that you aren't trying to
ban all guns, just the evil military looking ones, because
I'm not having it. You'd ban them all if you thought you
had the political clout to do so.<br>
<br>
Was that enough dancing, for you?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 01/21/2013 04:24 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Although you will certainly avoid
answering my query or, at minimum, dance around any
conceivable response . . . <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In addition to our tirelessly expressed
desire of preventing the killing of innocents, what other
"agenda" do you assign to us "tired old progressives" as
we attempt to ban the possession and/or sale of
semi-automatic assault rifles and/or high-capacity
ammunition magazines; the tools applied in the
aforementioned killing of innocents?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">What
benefit would we "tired old progressives" realize in the
pursuit of this imagined agenda?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seeya round town, Moscow, because . .
.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Moscow Cares"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"<span style="font-size:13.5pt">There's
room at the top they are telling you still </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">But
first you must learn how to smile as you kill <br>
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- John Lennon<br>
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On Jan 21, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Nobody is forcing progressives to keep military
weapons in their homes. Their agenda is to keep
others from keeping military weapons in *their*
homes. That's the problem.<br>
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Ignoring, of course, that most military weapons are
actually illegal without hard to get permits. What
the tired old progressives are trying to ban are
weapons that resemble actual military weapons in
outward appearance regardless of how they actually
function.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 01/21/2013 02:47 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Darn
that tired old progressive agenda that just doesn’t
think military weapons are needed in American
homes. What in the world are they thinking about?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rose
Huskey</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 21, 2013 2:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Happy gun
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<p class="MsoNormal">And in the link I posted a couple
of weeks ago to an MSNBC news (as opposed to
opinion) piece they said he did not. As to the
incident in New Mexico according to CNN at 6:00 AM
this morning there was an AR present but they could
not confirm that it was the weapon used.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All of this is, of course,
completely beside the point. Far more people are
killed by blunt objects, sharp and pointy objects
and flesh and bone objects then are killed by so
called assault weapons. News stories such as the
ones you cite are merely a convenient backdrop for
the promotion of a long standing progressive agenda.
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