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includes Potok. And in Idaho we owe SPLC big time. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lfalen@turbonet.com
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=rhayes@frontier.com
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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is wrong with the Southern Poverty Law Center? Didn't they chase away the
Neo-Nazis up north? Joe<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, lfalen <SPAN
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class=gmail_quote>I would also like to thank Saundra for her research. I would
hope that this group never gets off the ground, we do not need them in this
area. However any group should have the right to build and live in any
voluntary manner the chose. I would never want to live in one, but I would
also support the right of the Hutterites to build a commune here. As for the
Sounthern Poverty Law Center, I have a fair amount of respect for Alan
Dershowitz, not so much for Mark
Potok,.<BR>Roger<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>Subject:
[Vision2020] Another hate group?<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A><BR>To: "Saundra
Lund"<BR>Date: 01/16/13 19:43:40<BR><BR>Very good research "Saundra.Below is
the quote and below that is the link you asked for.While they don't yet seem
to espouse the typical hate rhetoric, I don't think they will be fun neighbors
if the dubious plan goes forward. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the
Southern Poverty Law Center, said he doubts the group is any bigger than one
or two individuals looking to win a following. He called it nothing more than
an idle fantasy."We don't know who's behind it, but the claim that there are
several hundred people involved is patently ludicrous," Potok said. "We're
likely talking about a man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole
imaginary city. We don't take it that seriously."<BR><BR>Read more: <A
href="http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2IAHyZvCs"
target=_blank>http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2IAHyZvCs</A> <BR>
From: Saundra Lund <<A
href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</A>><BR>To:
'Sunil Ramalingam' <<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>>;
<A href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</A><BR>Cc: 'vision 2020'
<<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>; <A
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A><BR>Sent: Wednesday,
January 16, 2013 2:52 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Another hate
group<BR> <BR>At the risk of Paul again confusing discussion with hate .
. . Roger (Falen) wrote:"I do not know anything about this group, but how does
anyone know that they are a hate group? A little bit wako probably, but
not necessarily a hate group." I think the question is a good one, and I
don't think we know the answer to it. After all, hate groups rarely (if
ever) consider themselves to be hate groups, you know J And, what they
say for public consumption is often quite different than what they say amongst
the inner circle. To back up a bit, I can't find anything where the SPLC
has looked at the Citadel and its separate but integral III Arms - Roger
(Hayes), can you provide a link? The group clearly considers itself to
be part of the "Patriot" movement & reveres John Wesley, Rawls (yawn, one
of those highly paid anti-government doomsday/prepper/survivalist types) and
his<BR>"American Redoubt." Rawls, however, has recently disavowed any
connection to III Citadel, which I found hilarious, while failing to distance
himself from the weapons manufacture of III Arms Company, which is how this
group expects to fund the III Citadel. They've supposedly purchased 20
acres (so far) in the St. Maries area & plan on starting to build the III
Arms factory (the first phase) there in early-to-mid year. At this
point, I think their weapons are still being custom-manufactured in WV . . .
if they are actually being made at all. And, in my book, the interesting thing
about the III Citadel is the III Arms Company - lots of right-wing extremists
have attempted to establish insular communities, but they typically fail, is
seems to me, because of the finances (as well as in-fighting, not to mention
not being able to play well with others, something the III Citadel/III
Arms<BR>Company hasn't avoided). III Arms Company is an attempt (or
perhaps a scam) to provide funding to make the III Citadel a reality (or a
more profitable scam). The whole thing makes me think of a bunch of silly
role-playing teenagers enamored with their interpretation of the Second
Amendment trying to form a doomsday utopia as an excuse for their hoarding
tendencies & expensive deadly toys. However, I find the psychology very
interesting! In tough economic times, it's fascinating to me that anyone
would turn over $208 to "apply" to lease a "home" in a walled community that
probably won't exist anytime soon. They estimate that the cost of that
silly wall alone will cost in the neighborhood of $25 million. An
examination of the stated goals of the III Citadel community and associated
costs aren't realistic, financially or otherwise. Reading the blogs of
those involved shows -at<BR>best - a stunning ignorance of basics like
sustainability, economics, legal principles, weather in Benewah County,
growing seasons, roads, accessibility, etc. But . . . it gets even
better J III Arms claims that it's a non-profit! I kid you
not J <A
href="http://iiiarms.blogspot.com/2012/11/black-rifle-friday.html"
target=_blank>http://iiiarms.blogspot.com/2012/11/black-rifle-friday.html</A>
"And remember, III Arms is not a for-profit company. All proceeds go to the
Citadel Project, to help build a bastion of Liberty for us all."
ROTFLOF!!! But, wait: it gets even better J Has anyone
besides me wondered why the III Citadel is collecting money but doesn't have a
spokesperson? Curious, don't you think? Well, perhaps it's because
the person behind the "firearms arms required" III Citadel and initially
behind III Arms Co. is a federally convicted felon who apparently isn't even
able to legally own a firearm J I kid you not! I've been
trying<BR>to track down rumors & facts for a couple of weeks now since Tom
first posted, and the earliest references I've been able to find originated
with a man apparently named Christian or Chris Kerodin, which may or may not
be his real name since he's a dude with a lot of apparent aliases, scams, and
blogs. But, in reading his blogs, he definitely seems to be this guy:<A
href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/26/20040326-124129-2670r/print/An"
target=_blank>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/26/20040326-124129-2670r/print/An</A>
Alexandria, Va., man was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 30 months in
prison and fined $6,000 after he pleaded guilty in January to charges of
extortion and possessing an unregistered short-barreled rifle.U.S. Attorney
Paul J. McNulty in Alexandria said Christian Kerodin, 36, was sentenced by
U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, who also ordered that the prison term be
followed by three years of supervised release.Mr. McNulty said
Kerodin<BR>published a report on the Internet in May titled "Terrorist Target
List: American Retailers & Restaurants," which said shopping venues were
likely to be prime targets for terrorist attacks and billed himself as a
security expert.A month later, he said, Kerodin contacted officials at the
Fashion Centre at Pentagon City, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria, saying
that a new edition of his Internet report was due shortly and that if they
contracted with him for security assessments, he would not include their names
in the new report as needing security upgrades.The Fashion Centre is owned by
the Simon Property Group, and Landmark and Tysons Galleria are owned by
General Growth Properties Inc.Mr. McNulty said mall officials asked Kerodin to
provide the names of other clients for references or to supply credentials for
persons who worked for his company. He refused, saying he did not
need<BR>experience to be an expert in counterterrorism. None of the malls
hired him.In July, Kerodin published the report, which criticized several area
shopping malls for being vulnerable to terrorist attacks, specifically
criticizing the Fashion Centre, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria. Mr. McNulty
said Kerodin recontacted officials at Simon and General Growth by letter and
threatened to release similarly negative reports on 14 other properties that
the companies owned.An agent from the Department of Homeland Security posing
as a mall executive then contacted Kerodin, telling him the malls had hired
another security company and asking that they not be included in additional
reports. The agent also offered Kerodin $40,000 to be left out of any new
reports.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin rejected the offer and demanded $122,500. He
then was arrested."This defendant took advantage of the heightened<BR>concern
we all have to protect ourselves from terrorism. It is reprehensible that
someone would exploit that concern for personal gain," Mr. McNulty
said.Huh. I guess their definition of "law-abiding" is quite a bit
different than is mine. And, I feel soooo much better (not!) that it's
his wife Holly, rather than convicted felon Christian Kerodin himself, who is
listed with the Idaho Secretary of State as a "member or manager" of III Arms
Company, LLC:<A href="http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/W116214.html"
target=_blank>http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/W116214.html</A> I
highly recommend checking out (one of) Kerodin's blogs. Here's a
sample:<A
href="http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-absence-of-orders-go-find-something.html"
target=_blank>http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-absence-of-orders-go-find-something.html</A>
In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.I borrowed the
title from WRSA.<BR><BR>I think you will see this phrase again on this
blog.<BR><BR>If we are Citizen Soldiers, a Leaderless entity, or small groups
of Patriots who have installed a command structure among themselves, but
otherwise answer to no central command, then it is incumbant upon each of us
to shoulder our portion of the burden and act independantly.<BR><BR>In the
absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.<BR><BR>You'll know
when. You already know who. You should know where they are in your
AO.<BR><BR>You know what is Evil.<BR><BR>You know what it is going to take to
backfist the Tyrants out of our lives for the next few generations. Fight to
the knife, and knife to the hilt...<BR><BR>Standing Orders: In the absence of
orders, go find something evil and kill it.<BR><BR>Kerodin<BR>III Wow - that's
just the kind of dude I want as an Idahoan!!! Is that, and a lot of
other vitriol he's written, "hate"? Rather than recount a lot of details, an
article providing lots of interesting background was just published:<A
href="http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/James"
target=_blank>http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/James</A>
L. Miller is many things, a motorcycle enthusiast, accused online scammer,
doomsday prepper, gunmaker and cat lover. Christian Kerodin also wears a
number of hats; he is an air conditioning repairman, blogger, author,
self-styled security consultant and convicted extortionist. Both men also seem
to be the masterminds behind a plan to build a massive, armed survivalist
compound in Idaho that has been making national headlines.According to the
website of the Citadel, it will be a "community of 3,500 - 7,000 families of
patriotic Americans who voluntarily<BR>choose to live together in accordance
with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of Rightful Liberty" and is being planned for
Northern Idaho. Among other things, the designs for the Citadel include a
"perimeter defense" with castle-style fortified walls and towers, an on-site
gun factory, hotels, schools, a "firearms museum," a "town militia," jail and
farmer's market. As of now, the community is planned for Benewah County in
Northern Idaho. Prospective residents of the Citadel are asked to submit to an
application process that includes agreeing to participate in the militia and
pass periodic proficiency tests with multiple types of firearms."Marxists,
Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life
in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred
lifestyles," the website says.Though the Citadel website claims the group has
no "leader" and is<BR>the work of "scores of Liberty-loving individuals," it
appears Mr. Miller and Mr. Kerodin are two of the main forces behind the
project. The roman numeral in the community's name seems to be derived from
"III Percent Patriots," a blog operated by Mr. Kerodin where the early
discussions were held planning the Citadel's design and potential locations.
An entry on Mr. Kerodin's personal website describes the meaning of the term
"III Percent Patriots.""Historians consider that about 3 percent of Americans
took arms and challenged the King during the Revolution. 3 percent. III
Percent. Threepers. Patriots. We exist today," Mr. Kerodin wrote. "We are that
percentage of Americans who have the tools and mettle of the Militiaman who
stand and have drawn a hard line for the Hard Right of the political
spectrum."Along with his political activities, Mr. Kerodin has also worked as
a repairman for<BR>heating and air conditioning systems. In 2002, Mr. Kerodin
started a security consultancy. The following year, he printed an eight-page
analysis of terrorism weaknesses at shopping malls in the Washington D.C.
area. According to reports from the time, he subsequently contacted mall
operators in the area and told them they would be included in other similar
analyses if they did not hire him to conduct security assessments. A concerned
company contacted the Secret Service who had an undercover agent contact Mr.
Kerodin who allegedly agreed to keep the business out of his reports after
accepting a $120,000 check. He was arrested and indicted for an extortion
charge to which he plead guilty. Mr. Kerodin was sentenced to 30 months in
prison for the crime and an associated firearms charge. As a federal felon,
Mr. Kerodin cannot own a weapon, but on his website, he says he is "exploring"
legal<BR>avenues to "recover" his "firearms rights."In one of the Citadel
planning posts on Mr. Kerodin's blogs, a commenter using an online alias
linked to Mr. Miller, "Millerized," offers to bring his "firearm smithing"
skills to the community. "Millerized," is also one of the authors of the
Citadel blog. In addition to being his online alias, "Millerized" was also the
name of a company previously by Mr. Miller that originally made motorcycle
parts. Last October, Millerized began doing business as "III Arms." The III
Arms website describes it as a firearms company "dedicated to building
first-class fighting arms for the defense of Jefferson's Rightful Liberty."
III Arms will have a factory inside the Citadel's walls that is planned to be
the prime source of revenue and employment for the project's early residents.
Mr. Miller is identified on LinkedIn as the "president" of III Arms.In
addition<BR>to Mr. Miller's business activities, he has an extensive digital
trail that includes "Millerized's" participation in sites for self-described
doomsday "preppers" and survivalists. On one of these forums, Millerized
describes work done in his house where he has multiple cats. A web page tied
to Mr. Miller's name and address is also identified as having participated in
so-called "phishing" scams on a site dedicated to identifying these fraudulent
attempts to obtain personal information.As of this writing, neither Mr. Miller
or Mr. Kerodin have responded to multiple requests for comment on this story.
However, Mr. Miller seems to be enjoying the attention the Citadel has
recently received. A Facebook page that seems to belong to Mr. Miller features
pictures of customized military fatigues with the III Arms logo and the words
"Millerized" and "Patriot." It also includes a picture of one of<BR>the
Citadel's more prominent media mentions, a headline about the community on the
Drudge Report accompanied by the following caption from Mr. Miller:"We are now
huge."For those interested in learning more, remember Google is your friend,
but be prepared to shower frequently. What's that saying? Oh, yeah, "A
fool and his money are soon parted." Personally, I prefer to take the "scam"
perspective because the alternative is enough to chill the bones of any person
with connected brain cells. Saundra LundMoscow, ID To sin by silence
when they should protest makes cowards out of men.~ Abraham
Lincoln From: <A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>
[mailto:<A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]
On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam<BR>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:50 PM<BR>To:
<A href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</A><BR>Cc: vision 2020;
<A href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Another hate group Darrell,<BR><BR>I agree, though I have
to add that someone posted about them last month; I think it was
Tom.<BR><BR>SunilDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Another hate group<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A><BR>CC:
<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A><BR><BR><BR>I am the
original poster of this topic. I never called it a hate group. I
called them survivalists. I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a
hate tagline. What say you, Roger?On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil
Ramalingam <<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:I'm with Roger on this. Maybe they're complete nut jobs, but I don't
know that they're a hate group.<BR><BR>What is the evidence behind that
claim?<BR><BR>SunilDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</A><BR>From: <A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A><BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Another hate groupI do not know anything about this group, but
how does anyone know that they are a hate group? A little bit wako
probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group<BR>From: "Tom
Hansen"<BR>To: "Darrell Keim"<BR>Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16How's this for
"freedom"" My father was a POW in Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year
and a half of WW2. I am convinced that he experienced less isolation
than the freedom-loving residents of the Citadel.Seeya round town, Moscow,
because . . . "Moscow Cares"<A href="http://www.moscowcares.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.moscowcares.com/</A> Tom HansenMoscow,
Idaho "There's room at the top they are telling you
still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
<BR>If you want to be like the folks on the hill." - John
Lennon <BR>On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim
<<A href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>Goodie. So it will be like Bo Gritz "Almost Heaven" near
Kamiah. Wonderful.On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, <A
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</A>> wrote: The
Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed this "group" as a couple of guys
with a computer who are trying to drum up a following and bilk those who take
the bait of
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